[Xmca-l] Re: Article for discussion: Facebook in Brazilian schools

[Andy Blunden]

That headline does not exist, but is it this:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/07/us/parkland-students-social-media.html

Andy

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Andy Blunden
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On 12/03/2018 4:02 PM, mike cole wrote:
> Michael - I have been trying to find a digital copy of a story in today's
> NY Times titled "the social media warriors of parkland." For some reason it
> is not visible on the digital version.... yet. Maybe someone out there in
> xmca-land can find it for us? I will check again
> in the morning to see if it appears.
>      It seems especially relevant to Monica and Fernando's article, and to
> David's comment that "  it is very hard for me to pinpoint any
> actual new form of thinking or new form of speaking which was made possible by
> Facebook."  The voices and forms of speaking used by the students was not,
> so far as I could tell, the source of data. There are no quotations of any
> students speaking differently. I assumed that this article was about
> collective action.
> Monica and Fernando - I confess I had difficulty following parts of the
> article, perhaps because I am a very seldom user of Facebook. In
> particular, I had difficulty understanding Figure 3.  Were the people who
> started M1 also those who started M2-M3? ( " Once students achieved the
> object of the activity—in the first case, to avoid the closure of the
> schools—they focused the protests on another object").
>
> Did the M4 people get the idea from M1 through a FB connection form M1? Did
> you get any sense of what distinguished pages that got a few hundred versus
> 10,000 reactions?
>
> Harshad - Did you think the article failed to consider social issues? There
> is no information about you on the xmca membership
> page, so it is difficult to know from what part of the world you are
> writing. Unless I miss my guess, some people will wonder at your
> use of the word "man" where the local practice might put "humankind" or
> some other gender inclusive term.
>
> David - Daylight saving time tonight so I find myself "working late."  It
> got me to wondering how many people live in Seoul. A lot, it turns out.
> About 9-10 million. That got me to wondering about how much faster all
> those people would be getting around on horses with all the horse plops to
> clamber over. And all that hay to haul into town for the morning rush
> hour.  :-)
>
> mike
>
> On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 8:25 PM, Glassman, Michael <glassman.13@osu.edu>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi David,
>>
>> I'm sure those meddling kids won't come back on your lawn any time soon.
>>
>> But really, the article did not say Facebook is a new type of technology.
>> I believe they said that it's a form of human-technology interaction and
>> suggested perhaps social media was a new type of human-technology
>> interaction.  I don't agree with this phrasing. I tend to think of Facebook
>> more as an application of Internet technology - but either way Facebook is
>> just a form or an application. Is the internetworking of computer, radio
>> and satellite communication an enormous step forward in how humans
>> communicate.  I think so - it's really extraordinary on a number of levels
>> but that's really not the conversation for this article.
>>
>> I do think the authors have done an analysis that is interesting and
>> possibly important, especially when one considers what is currently going
>> on down in Parkland (some might be happy to know that, at least from what I
>> have read, Facebook isn't dominant or even that important for these
>> students. Adults have been using it more for larger organizational events
>> like the March 14 walkout and the March 24 march).  I have read some
>> articles on organizing on online forums (and actually wrote a not very good
>> one a few years back). Most of them are communications based an don't have
>> strong theoretical underpinning which is why I think this article might be
>> an important step forward.
>>
>> I think the idea of using third generation activity theory might be a good
>> idea for this type of analysis. I myself have seen ties between the
>> trialogical approach being developed by Hakkareinan and Paavola and what is
>> going on down in Parkland. The students are creating their own projects and
>> then getting the larger community to buy in to and support what they are
>> doing which is in turn changing the quality of their activities. I have my
>> own ideas on why this is suddenly happening and direct communication
>> technologies like Twitter and texting (which seem primary vehicles) are
>> only part of it.
>>
>> Anyway, this particular article I think is really timely and should give
>> us a lot to think about.
>>
>> Michael
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu [mailto:xmca-l-bounces@
>> mailman.ucsd.edu] On Behalf Of David Kellogg
>> Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2018 6:03 PM
>> To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity <xmca-l@mailman.ucsd.edu>
>> Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: Article for discussion: Facebook in Brazilian schools
>>
>> So in the fifteenth century, Gutenberg exapted extant technology already
>> widely available in China and published a single text using moveable type
>> which started a profound intellectual, cultural, and social revolution
>> whose effects we still feel today: the rise of Protestantism, the
>> Counter-Reformation in, among other places, Brazil, the Wars of Religion in
>> France, the vicissitudes of a multii-confessional (political) State and
>> ultimately those of a multi-confessional (psychological) state, In the
>> twentieth century, Ford similarly exapted extant technology, this time
>> nearly two millenia later than China, and mass-produced automobiles using
>> Taylorism, forcing everybody to buy an identical product with
>> interchangeable parts made by factories with interchangeable workers.
>> The automobile "revolution" did not even give us new roads, and in Seoul
>> today traffic moves notably slower than it would on horseback. Clearly,
>> there are some forms of technology that are actually semiogenic--and others
>> which merely circulate capital at a faster rate and actually slow the
>> movement of people and new ideas.
>>
>> So my question is very simple. How do we know that "Facebook" (which as
>> the name implies was originally designed to help Harvard freshmen decide
>> which classmates were sufficiently hot to "like") is really one of the
>> former technologies?.There are very clear signs , beyond the obvious ones
>> surrounding the American origins, that it belongs to the latter category,
>> and not a few of them appear in this very article. First of all, the
>> authors are honest enough to associate Facebook with reactionary,
>> xenophobic, populist movements like the clowns who run the "Five Stars"
>> movement in Italy. Second, on the very first page, the authors try but do
>> not really seem to be able to distinguish between the "post first and
>> organize later" technologies of Occupy Wall Street and the use of social
>> media by the four movements in the article (including one actually called
>> "Occupy Everything"). And thirdly, it is very hard for me to pinpoint any
>> actual new form of thinking or new form of speaking which was made possible
>> by Facebook. If anything, Facebook seems to narrow semiogenic power to a
>> single consumer/computer menu. Ford said, you can get a Model A in any
>> color you like so long as it's black. Facebook tells us the same thing, but
>> makes the verb "like" intransitive.
>>
>> David Kellogg
>> Sangmyung University
>>
>> Recent Article in *Early Years*
>>
>> The question of questions: Hasan’s critiques, Vygotsky’s crises, and the
>> child’s first interrogatives <https://www.tandfonline.com/
>> doi/full/10.1080/09575146.2018.1431874>
>>
>> Free e-print available at:
>> https://www.tandfonline.com/eprint/6EeWMigjFARavQjDJjcW/full
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 7:30 AM, Alfredo Jornet Gil <a.j.gil@iped.uio.no>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear xmca'ers,
>>>
>>>
>>> it is (bit over) due time for introducing the article for discussion
>>> from MCA's 2018 Issue 1, before Issue 2 comes upon us soon.
>>>
>>>
>>> The selected article, by Monica Ferreira Lemos and Fernando Rezende da
>>> Cunha Júnior, is about two topics that were thematised in the last
>>> ISCAR congress and that ought to be of much relevance to current and
>>> future CHAT-related research: Social media and social movements. In
>>> particular, the article examines how students use social media for the
>>> organization and development of 4 social movements in Brazil.
>>>
>>>
>>> The article is attached and is Free access during the discussion period.
>>> It can be accessed free in the following link:
>>>
>>> https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/10749039.2017.1379823
>>>
>>>
>>> The authors have kindly agreed to participate in the discussion and
>>> they will be introducing themselves soon. I hope you  will find the
>>> article interesting and please don't be shy to share anything you
>>> might have learned reading it, anything you might wonder about it or
>>> that you would like see discussed. Having authors engage in dialogue
>>> is a great opportunity that this community offers and that makes sense
>>> the most when many of you participate. Good reading!
>>>
>>> ?
>>>
>>> Alfredo Jornet
>>>
>>> New article in *Design Studies* "Imagning Design: Transitive and
>>> intransitive dimensions"
>>> Free print available: https://authors.elsevier.com/a/1WhHg_,KmyN6Dr
>>>
>>