[Xmca-l] Re: Best possible theoretical approach on learning from life experiences

Wed Nov 8 06:58:05 PST 2017

Thank you Robert!

8 Kas 2017 17:56 tarihinde "Robert Lake" <boblake@georgiasouthern.edu>
yazdı:

> Hi Andy, Ulvi and all!
> Thank-you for connecting autobiography and perezhivanie. Back in 1984
> before #meta became trendy,Jerome Bruner
> referred to this with his students this way.
> 
> There was also talk about how people go beyond merely knowing about things
> to reflecting upon them in order to effect correction and self-repair — how
> to get students to reflect, to turn around on themselves, to go "meta," to
> think about their ways of thinking.
> —"Notes on the Cognitive Revolution" (*Interchange*
> <http://www.springerlink.com/content/h115766255987075/>, 1984.
>
> *Robert L.*
>
> Retrieved from :
> https://www.visualthesaurus.com/cm/wordroutes/its-getting-
> meta-all-the-time/
>
> On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 8:09 PM, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net> wrote:
>
> > I think autobiography is a genre which is very rich for the
> > study of perezhivanie; even the writing of the autobiography
> > itself is a part of the perezhivanie, as the writer looks
> > back over their life, and the experiences which have shaped
> > them, reassessing how they responded to events intervening
> > in their life and surviving. I think I mentioned Gorki's
> > multi-volume autobiography to you,
> >
> > Andy
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------
> > Andy Blunden
> > http://www.ethicalpolitics.org/ablunden/index.htm
> > On 7/11/2017 6:28 AM, Ulvi İçil wrote:
> > > Also the following "survival of culture" theme is said to be a
> principal
> > > worry for Marina Tsvetaeva
> > > by this same Turkish professor on Russian language and literature...
> > >
> > > Anyway, another method to study "perezhivanie", I believe, is to look
> > into
> > > theses on the life of such Russian poets, even if they do not use the
> > > concept,
> > > we can be sure that there is a lot of  "perezhivanie" in those
> theses...
> > >
> > > probably because poets are the best human beings to study
> "perezhivanie"
> > > for reasons easy to conceive.
> > >
> > > Especially when we think to Mayakovsky, Yesenin, Tsvetaeva...who all
> > > suicided, unfortunately.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 6 November 2017 at 21:14, Ulvi İçil <ulvi.icil@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> It seems to me that the concept perezhivanie is a sine qua non concept
> > for
> > >> studying the lives and works of poets especially: Pushkin, and many
> > others.
> > >>
> > >> I would say that a poet's life and work can not and should not be
> > studied
> > >> without this concept.
> > >>
> > >> Completely impossible.
> > >>
> > >> For instance, for Pushkin, a poem is a magical union of sounds,
> thoughts
> > >> and feelings, which fits completely with intellect and affect,
> cognition
> > >> and emotion.
> > >>
> > >> In case of some other poets, I would add "colours" because for
> instance,
> > >> Nazim Hikmet (who is said to see the world in colours) says that the
> > >> closest poet to him is Eluard and there is a thesis on colour in the
> > poems
> > >> of Eluard and Hikmet. (May this mean Pushkin was more sensitive to
> > sounds
> > >> than colours? An outstanding Turkish professor on Russian language and
> > >> literature told me that there is not slightest deviation of rythm in
> > >> Pushkin whereas there is in all others)
> > >>
> > >> Do we know any example of any such study in Russian databases? A poet
> > >> studied with "perezhivanie".
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On 4 November 2017 at 14:02, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> I would recommend Vasilyuk, but AN Leontyev should be read
> > >>> as well:
> > >>>
> > >>> http://www.ethicalpolitics.org/ablunden/pdfs/Fedor%20Vasilyuk.pdf
> > >>>
> > >>> http://www.ethicalpolitics.org/ablunden/pdfs/Fedor%20Vasilyuk.pdf
> > >>>
> > >>> Andy
> > >>>
> > >>> ------------------------------------------------------------
> > >>> Andy Blunden
> > >>> http://www.ethicalpolitics.org/ablunden/index.htm
> > >>> On 4/11/2017 10:41 PM, Ulvi İçil wrote:
> > >>>> Dear all,
> > >>>>
> > >>>> For a study on Turkish poet, also a painter and playwright, Nazim
> > >>> Hikmet,
> > >>>> whom learning seems to be heavily determined from life experiences
> at
> > >>> each
> > >>>> stage of his life,
> > >>>> I am looking for a best theoretical approach in general on learning
> > from
> > >>>> life experiences, then more specifically for such great poets,
> > painters
> > >>> and
> > >>>> play writers.
> > >>>> Just to give a closer idea, please look at the section below from
> his
> > >>>> novel, Life's good, brother.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I appreciate highly any idea, proposal on such a theoretical
> approach.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Thank you.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Ulvi
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I sat down at the table in the Hôtel de France in Batum. A table
> with
> > >>>> carved legs—not just the legs but the whole gilded oval table was
> > >>> covered
> > >>>> with intricate carvings. Rococo . . . In the seaside house in
> > Üsküdar, a
> > >>>> rococo
> > >>>> table sits in the guestroom. Ro-co-co . . . The journey I made from
> > the
> > >>>> Black
> > >>>> Sea coast to Ankara, then from there to Bolu, the thirty-five-day,
> > >>>> thirty-fiveyear
> > >>>> journey on foot to the town where I taught school—in short, to make
> a
> > >>>> long story short, the encounter of a pasha’s descendant—more
> > precisely,
> > >>> a
> > >>>> grandson—with Anatolia now rests on the rococo table in the Hôtel de
> > >>>> France in Batum, spread out over the table like a tattered, dirty,
> > >>>> blood-stained
> > >>>> block-print cloth. I look, and I want to cry. I look, and my blood
> > >>> rushes
> > >>>> to my
> > >>>> head in rage. I look, and I’m ashamed again. Of the house by the sea
> > in
> > >>>> Üsküdar. Decide, son, I say to myself, decide. The decision was
> made:
> > >>> death
> > >>>> before turning back. Wait, don’t rush, son. Let’s put the questions
> on
> > >>> this
> > >>>> table, right next to Anatolia here. What can you sacrifice for this
> > >>> cause?
> > >>>> What
> > >>>> can you give? Everything. Everything I have. Your freedom? Yes! How
> > >>>> many years can you rot in prison for this cause? All my life, if
> > >>> necessary!
> > >>>> Yes, but you like women, fine dining, nice clothes. You can’t wait
> to
> > >>>> travel,
> > >>>> to see Europe, Asia, America, Africa. If you just leave Anatolia
> here
> > on
> > >>>> this
> > >>>> rococo table in Batum and go from Tbilisi to Kars and back to Ankara
> > >>> from
> > >>>> there, in five or six years you’ll be a senator, a minister—women,
> > >>> wining
> > >>>> and
> > >>>> dining, art, the whole world. No! If necessary, I can spend my whole
> > >>> life in
> > >>>> prison. Okay, but what about getting hanged, killed, or drowned like
> > >>> Mustafa
> > >>>> Suphi and his friends if I become a Communist—didn’t you ask
> yourself
> > >>> these
> > >>>> questions in Batum? I did. I asked myself, Are you afraid of being
> > >>>> killed? I’m not afraid, I said. Just like that, without thinking?
> No.
> > I
> > >>>> first knew
> > >>>> I was afraid, then I knew I wasn’t. Okay, are you ready to be
> > disabled,
> > >>>> crippled, or made deaf for this cause? I asked. And TB, heart
> disease,
> > >>>> blindness? Blindness? Blindness . . . Wait a minute—I hadn’t thought
> > >>> about
> > >>>> going blind for this cause. I got up. I shut my eyes tight and
> walked
> > >>> around
> > >>>> the room. Feeling the furniture with my hands, I walked around the
> > room
> > >>> in
> > >>>> the darkness of my closed eyes. Twice I stumbled, but I didn’t open
> my
> > >>> eyes.
> > >>>> Then I stopped at the table. I opened my eyes. Yes, I can accept
> > >>> blindness.
> > >>>> Maybe I was a bit childish, a little comical. But this is the truth.
> > Not
> > >>>> books or
> > >>>> word-of-mouth propaganda or my social condition brought me where I
> am.
> > >>>> Anatolia brought me where I am. The Anatolia I had seen only on the
> > >>>> surface, from the outside. My heart brought me where I am. That’s
> how
> > >>> it is
> > >>>> .
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Robert Lake  Ed.D.
> Associate Professor
> Social Foundations of Education
> Dept. of Curriculum, Foundations, and Reading
> Georgia Southern University
> P. O. Box 8144, Statesboro, GA  30460
> Co-editor of *Review of Education, Pedagogy, and Cultural Studies,* vol.39,
> 2017
> Special issue: Maxine Greene and the Pedagogy of Social Imagination: An
> Intellectual Genealogy.
>
>  http://www.tandfonline.com/toc/gred20/39/1
> Webpage: https://georgiasouthern.academia.edu/RobertLake*Democracy must be
> born anew in every generation, and education is its midwife.* John
> Dewey-*Democracy
> and Education*,1916, p. 139
>