[Xmca-l] Re: : Object oriented activity and communication

[Alfredo Jornet Gil]

Yes Martin, that seems like a straight forward argument to address Sasha's critique to me too, for it would mean that Vygotsky is nowhere arguing that ideology, thinking, is built upon acts of sensation, but, if anything, the other way around, that sensation is organized from without as the child takes part in social life. I read Volosinov arguing for the same thing. But Sasha's critique may be more nuanced than that?

Cheers,
Alfredo
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Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: : Object oriented activity and communication

Hang on, doesn’t Vygotsky write of the toddler's *perception* becoming generalized, as words are used to name and locate perceptible objects in a group of related objects? That’s hardly a model of the senses delivering raw material that is then organized by language and presented to thought. It is an account of the way that speaking, and later thinking, transform perceiving. But even if the model were the former, why would a more verbose vocabulary lead to more wisdom? More generalization, perhaps, but that’s a double-edged sword.

Martin

On Nov 4, 2017, at 6:53 PM, Alfredo Jornet Gil <a.j.gil@iped.uio.no<mailto:a.j.gil@iped.uio.no>> wrote:

"If we stay on Vygotsky's theoretical positions, which believed that the human psyche begins with acts of sensation that thinking is just a verbal 'generalization' of the material that our senses deliver to us, then any wretched ideologist, with a well-suspended language, will seem to us the owner of perfect wisdom, whereas a worker or a peasant doing his own work, but not possessing the skill of ideological verbosity, will look something inferior."