[Xmca-l] Re: Noumenal and Phenomenal

[Greg Thompson]

Michael,
I didn't mean to be cavalier. Just posing a genuine question.

One more question:
Do we carry a constant something around with us?
And does that constant something not develop/change?
(if not, then it sure sounds a lot like a soul. Designed intelligence
perhaps?)

And, is there no one else out there in XMCA land willing to support
Michael's doubting non-dualism? (Feeling badly for piling on here...
someone switch sides?).

-greg




On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 12:43 AM, Glassman, Michael <glassman.13@osu.edu>
wrote:

> Yes I worried about using the example of intelligent design for this
> reason, we would get bogged down in the whole God thing rather than the
> idea that there is a separate mind manipulating and controlling our
> activity or consciousness or personality, or whatever you might want to
> call this constant that we carry around with us.  I'm not making an
> argument for intelligent design - and I actually think you know that.  I am
> saying that our conception of development has similarities to the
> conception of intelligent design, in that there is a mind, an internal,
> constant force which is manipulating activity.  One of the reasons the
> early Pragmatists were no against dualism is because of the destructive
> tendencies of the idea that God has a plan.  If we can't get there then I
> would like to withdraw my example because it just becomes a distraction.
>
> Michael
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> Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: Noumenal and Phenomenal
>
> I am not following your argument, Michael. You suggest that the
> explanation of individual development is somehow parallel to the issue of
> Intelligent Design. Intelligent Design is the claim that the order we see
> in the universe must have been designed, and design requires intelligence,
> therefore a god must exist. Presumably you find that argument convincing,
> or you would not suggest the parallel. I, however, do not find it a
> convincing argument: order in the universe emerges and evolves over time.
>
> In the same way, the order in human activity emerges and evolves over
> time. You seem to be suggesting that explaining order in individual
> psychological development must require something that remains "constant as
> the circumstances of activity constantly change.” Well, children are born
> into a highly structured social context. And LSV *does* posit something
> else that is, or becomes, relatively “constant” in human psychological
> development: he calls it personality. Not mind.
>
>
> Martin
>
>
>


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