[Xmca-l] Re: Vygotsky.Peirce.Mediation

[Greg Thompson]

James,
Why not the index?
Isn't this the Ur sign for Vygotsky?
-greg

On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 1:12 AM, Ma, James (james.ma@canterbury.ac.uk) <
james.ma@canterbury.ac.uk> wrote:

> Mike and Larry, I agree with you both.
>
>
> I've been enjoying reading this too - it's truly refreshing, enlightening
> to me!  Making Peirce in dialogue with Vygotsky has been my interest for
> years. Alfred's ideas would be very useful to my next article for MCA re
> the ontological relevance of Peircean iconicity for Vygotskian semiotic
> mediation.
>
>
> James
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu <xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu>
> on behalf of mike cole <mcole@ucsd.edu>
> Sent: 22 June 2016 16:42
> To: Lplarry
> Cc: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: Vygotsky.Peirce.Mediation
>
> Larry--
>
> Certainly the participants of xlchc, as xmca was called at the time, felt a
> bond with each other.
> It was a time of rapid change, new ideas and new modes of
> interaction-at-a-distance offered the possibility of mobilizing enough
> internationally distributed resources to allow us to make a quantum leap in
> our understanding of the role of culture in human development and the many
> associated issues that such an interest require mastery of.
>
> Two of the central participants have died subsequently, others have moved
> on to other ventures. Now the quantum leap seems a little more like the
> slow uneven, blurred movement of sand sliding down a sand dune in the
> Sahara, but it sure enough felt like lived experience at the time!
>
> There are a LOT of substantive issues taken up by Alfred in that document.
> Somewhere in there must be a good summary of his on semiotic/ecological
> framework. Whether those currently pursuing the possible synergies to be
> had by putting Peirce in conversation with LSV have superseded this early
> two decades old scholarship I am unsure. I often found Alfred difficult to
> understand; the payoff was in the trying and the friendships that evolved
> from the shared effort.
>
> mike
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 10:40 PM, Lplarry <lpscholar2@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Mike,
> >
> > I have been reading the link that Andy sent and am experiencing a deep
> > (bond) among the participants in this act of culture.
> >
> > Reflecting on the image of bridges connecting  entities in relation to
> > this (bond) I experienced in my encountering you and Alfred and Arne on
> > this site, where do we locate this bond. Is this bond a “living” entity?
> >
> > Do the **persons** I am encountering here and now have any substance or
> > essence?
> >
> > Is it permissible to say these **persons** bonding exist or are real as a
> > **living** presence.
> >
> > Is this occurring only inside my **mind** as imaginary or imagination.
> >
> > Or is there a 3rd realm that I will call **imaginal** as an adjective.
> >
> > To ask if this (bond) I experience as I interpret the words is actually
> an
> > imaginal image that presents itself through encountering this  living
> > presence as this (bond).
> >
> > I am using **imaginal** image to convey a sense of the presence of these
> > 3 persons bonding that is a living (vital, animated) presence. This
> > presence is not captured or expressed in the same way when using the
> words
> > imaginary or imagination.
> >
> > If others who are reading the link are also experiencing this (bond) then
> > it is not merely private nor objective. It seems to be a third way (via
> > media).
> >
> > I do not think the bridge metaphor expresses this **imaginal** image as
> > what is occurring is **deep within** our meeting in this third space.
> >
> > I have a hunch that Peirce as a third way may contribute something to my
> > question.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Sent from my Windows 10 phone
> >
> >
> >
> > *From: *mike cole <mcole@ucsd.edu>
> > *Sent: *June 21, 2016 5:23 PM
> > *To: *Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net>; eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> > <xmca-l@mailman.ucsd.edu>
> > *Subject: *[Xmca-l] Re: Vygotsky.Peirce.Mediation
> >
> >
> >
> > I mis-wrote, Andy. I did not mean to say that YOU held that view, Andy.
> >
> > Rather, your note about a bridge presupposing two entities raised the
> issue
> >
> > clearly. Alfred held challenged me on this very point, insisting he was a
> >
> > dualist and using Peirce as his tool of thought. In any event, the
> document
> >
> > you forwarded has a lot of history of semiotics, Peirce, and LSV, and
> xmca.
> >
> > And the belief among some that Vygotsky was a dualist remains. That is
> what
> >
> > makes Peirce such an interesting 'third'.
> >
> >
> >
> > If one googles Alfred Lang on the lchc website homepage lchc.ucsd.edu, a
> >
> > list of relevant documents comes up.
> >
> >
> >
> > mike
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 5:04 PM, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > Goodness, I will really have to work harder to make my meaning clear, I
> >
> > > was trying to say that in the tradition running through Hegel and Marx
> > that
> >
> > > Vygotsky was *not* a dualist.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > I'm not sure which document captures the discussion Mike was talking of
> >
> > > but try this:
> >
> > > http://lchc.ucsd.edu/Histarch/LAEMDI.PDF
> LCHC: The Connection from the West<
> http://lchc.ucsd.edu/Histarch/LAEMDI.PDF>
> lchc.ucsd.edu
> ExtrA Lang e-mail discussion Alfred Lang 1 LCHC: The Connection from the
> West go to the xlist introduction go to table of xlist discussion topics go
> to table of ...
>
>
>
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Andy
> >
> > >
> >
> > > ------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > > Andy Blunden
> >
> > > http://home.mira.net/~andy
> >
> > > http://www.brill.com/products/book/origins-collective-decision-making
> >
> > > On 22/06/2016 1:54 AM, mike cole wrote:
> >
> > >
> >
> > >> The header is a three word summary of the topic that seems to have
> > emerged
> >
> > >> to engage discussion, James, so maybe use that
> >
> > >> or put together a header of your own. Semiotics could be there.
> >
> > >>
> >
> > >> A discussion of this topic might begin by unearthing the discussions
> in
> > an
> >
> > >> earlier xmca generation. Arne Raeithel and Alfred Lang
> >
> > >> led discussion on this topic as has, I believe, Jay Lemke. Alfred was
> >
> > >> steadfast in his interpretation of Vygotsky as a dualist in
> >
> > >> precisely the way that Andy did in a recent note. Its in the
> newsletter
> >
> > >> and
> >
> > >> the archives, or perhaps in Andy's computer.
> >
> > >>
> >
> > >> Given that as background,  what new insights can we gain from
> > considering
> >
> > >> these early efforts at mutual enlightenment via computer *mediated*
> >
> > >> discourse??
> >
> > >>
> >
> > >> Could some of the core discussers organize to point us to prior
> >
> > >> understandings of this nexus of topics from the xmca/xlchc archives?
> >
> > >> That would provide a starting point for assessing the answer to my
> >
> > >> question. Otherwise, I fear we will be unable to supercede a
> collective
> >
> > >> level of discourse that corresponds more or less to chaining in a
> >
> > >> Vygotskian conceptual hierarchy.
> >
> > >>
> >
> > >> Summer Solstice Suggestion
> >
> > >>
> >
> > >> Mike
> >
> > >>
> >
> > >>
> >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> >
> >
> > It is the dilemma of psychology to deal as a natural science with an
> object
> >
> > that creates history. Ernst Boesch
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
>
> It is the dilemma of psychology to deal as a natural science with an object
> that creates history. Ernst Boesch
>



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