[Xmca-l] Re: Appeal for help
Andy Blunden
ablunden@mira.net
Tue Jul 5 17:50:23 PDT 2016
Thanks Greg. My notebook is filling up!
And Larry.
Andy
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Andy Blunden
http://home.mira.net/~andy
http://www.brill.com/products/book/origins-collective-decision-making
On 6/07/2016 8:01 AM, Greg Thompson wrote:
> Here are some initial suggestions:
> Amanda Coffey's The Ethnographic Self: Fieldwork and the
> Representation of the Self
>
> The other big literature that comes to mind is the
> literature from the 80's and 90's that followed Clifford
> and Marcus' Writing Culture: The Poetics and Politics of
> Ethnography.
>
> But I think that that piece (and that movement more
> generally) tends to fly a bit too high and misses the
> important issue that you are pointing to with regard to
> the constitution of selves.
>
> And one that I just found is Vincent Crapanzano's 1977
> essay On the Writing of Ethnography. More than the others,
> I think this speaks to the issues that you are talking
> about - the dialectical constitution of self through
> fieldwork (although Crapanzano's focus is a bit more on
> the writing stage than it is on the fieldwork itself).
>
> I think that your issue is addressed indirectly in Tim
> Ingold's piece about ethnography That's Enough about
> Ethnography. Which is a response to some of these
> preoccupations with ethnography. But Ingold addresses your
> concerns only indirectly.
>
> So this is all to say that while it may be commonplace in
> anthropology, I don't think that anyone has quite done the
> work of fully articulating the issue here - and definitely
> not in terms of a virtue ethical framework. And so, as far
> as I can see, what you propose would be a useful
> contribution even for anthropology (although I'm guessing
> that this would not be your primary audience).
>
> -greg
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 10:59 PM, Andy Blunden
> <ablunden@mira.net <mailto:ablunden@mira.net>> wrote:
>
> You are right, Greg: "I think it might be considered
> too commonplace to write about." Maybe I do not need
> to quote research to make this point?
>
> Andy
>
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> Andy Blunden
> http://home.mira.net/~andy <http://home.mira.net/%7Eandy>
> http://www.brill.com/products/book/origins-collective-decision-making
>
> On 5/07/2016 11:56 PM, Greg Thompson wrote:
>
> Andy,
>
> Appropriating Martins list for cognition, how about:
>
> Situated ethics?
> Distributed ethics?
> Extended ethics?
> Ordinary ethics?
>
> Speaking of which, Michael Lambek has an edited
> book out by the name
> of that last one!
> Ordinary Ethics: Anthropology, Language, and Action
> (and here is a link to a review by Michael Lempert
> that also points to
> some others who playing around with virtue ethics
> in various ways:
> http://www.haujournal.org/index.php/hau/article/view/hau4.1.029/673)
>
> And speaking of this tradition of anthropology of
> morality folks who
> have been thinking about virtue ethics, Webb Keane
> has a nice new book
> out called Ethical Life: Its Natural and Social
> Histories:
> https://www.amazon.com/Ethical-Life-Natural-Social-Histories/dp/0691167737
>
> Anthropologists have for a long time been dealing
> with the general
> issue that you flag (becoming a different person
> because of a
> different context). It is a basic part of doing
> fieldwork. You go to
> another culture and do the same thing that you
> always did but suddenly
> in this new culture you find that you aren't the
> same person you were
> where you came from. Simple enough. The difficulty
> is finding someone
> who has written about it! I think it might be
> considered too
> commonplace to write about (but if so, I think
> they are wrong!).
>
> Anyway, I'd be interested to hear more about your
> project.
>
> -greg
>
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 5, 2016, at 3:36 PM, Andy Blunden
> <ablunden@mira.net <mailto:ablunden@mira.net>>
> wrote:
>
> Well, as is my nature, and given my situation,
> I am not going to do any of that kind of
> *investigation*, Michael; I don't really want
> to explain my larger project because that
> would lead to confusion of all kinds at this
> stage. But ... I am just trying to show that
> the understanding of virtues is enhanced by
> taking virtues to be attributes of projects,
> with individuals perhaps acquiring and
> developing such attributes in and through
> their participation in, commitment to and
> place within the project. But it is not my
> intention to look at participation in projects
> as a way of individuals acquiring virtues. But
> simply that the virtuous nature of the project
> is what is primary, not the prima facie
> character of the individual participants. The
> problems I will face in substantiating this
> are very similar to the issues you raised
> about cognitive development, but I am
> confident I can overcome them.
>
> OK?
>
> Andy
>
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> Andy Blunden
> http://home.mira.net/~andy
> <http://home.mira.net/%7Eandy>
> http://www.brill.com/products/book/origins-collective-decision-making
>
> On 5/07/2016 4:21 PM, Glassman, Michael wrote:
> Andy,
>
> There are two issues here. Are you
> exploring the way individual and group
> ethics change based on the current
> circumstances - separate from culturally
> developed "virtues" or are you exploring
> the way individual adapt to different sets
> of "virtues" "morals" whatever when they
> change culture?
>
> Michael
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> To: Nektarios Alexi
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> Perfect Alex! Thank you.
>
> Andy
>
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> Andy Blunden
> http://home.mira.net/~andy
> <http://home.mira.net/%7Eandy>
> http://www.brill.com/products/book/origins-collective-decision-making
>
> On 5/07/2016 4:00 PM, Nektarios Alexi
> wrote:
> For your request on similar
> information about changes in a person's
> character following their emigration
> to another country? I have used
> his theory for my PhD thesis on
> acculturation effect for help seeking
> intentions for mental ilness.
>
>
>
> http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1464-0597.1997.tb01087.x/
> abstract;jsessionid=3F23F698365AD798272D11D57C859C71.f04t02
>
> Immigration, Acculturation, and
> Adaptation - Berry - 2008 ...
> <http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1464-0597.1997.tb01087.x
> /abstract;jsessionid=3F23F698365AD798272D11D57C859C71.f04t02>
> onlinelibrary.wiley.com
> <http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com>
> How to Cite. Berry, J. W. (1997),
> Immigration, Acculturation, and
> Adaptation. Applied Psychology:An
> International Review, 46: 5-34. doi:
> 10.1111/j.1464-0597.1997 ...
>
>
>
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> *Sent:* Tuesday, 5 July 2016 3:08:22 PM
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> *Subject:* [Xmca-l] Appeal for help
> Comrade and friends, I need some help.
>
> I am setting about developing a new
> approach to virtue ethics. Virtues
> are everywhere taken to be deep-seated
> attributes of a person's
> character; my aim is to make the
> starting point instead from virtues
> defined as deep-seated attributes of a
> project, which you can take to
> mean "social context" or "system of
> activity" if you wish. I don't
> need advice about issues and problems
> of ethics, but it is in in the
> nature of virtue ethics that it always
> has strong implications for
> psychology as well as social theory,
> to the extent that I think I can
> make a great deal of progress by
> calling on psychological data.
>
> Can people point me to research(ers)
> about how a person's character
> changes with social context (e.g.
> home/work), any evidence of the
> well-known phenomenon in which a
> person promoted above the ability
> suffers a moral degeneration; any
> suitable and reliable data about the
> differing character (not just
> preferences or cognition, but virtues)
> of people from one culture or another?
> or similar information about
> changes in a person's character
> following their emigration to another
> country?
>
> URLs appreciated, or whole books, I
> don't have access to a university
> library or JSTOR.
>
> Thanks
>
> Andy
>
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> Andy Blunden
> http://home.mira.net/~andy
> <http://home.mira.net/%7Eandy>
> <http://home.mira.net/%7Eandy>
> http://www.brill.com/products/book/origins-collective-decision-making
>
>
>
>
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>
> --
> Gregory A. Thompson, Ph.D.
> Assistant Professor
> Department of Anthropology
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