[Xmca-l] Re: Solids and Liquids/Entities and dynamic flows

[mike cole]

Thanks for forwarding, Peg et al.
mike

On Sat, Aug 6, 2016 at 9:14 AM, Peg Griffin <Peg.Griffin@att.net> wrote:

> down.cenet.org.cn/upfile/19/20064111162198.pdf  but it downloads the
> whole 390 + pagebook
>
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> From: xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu [mailto:xmca-l-bounces@
> mailman.ucsd.edu] On Behalf Of mike cole
> Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2016 11:22 AM
> To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: Solids and Liquids/Entities and dynamic flows
>
> My apologies for not appending the reference. For some reason part of my
> message disappeared, the ref included. Odd wanderings of fingers not under
> proper control. I only have this book in hard copy. If anyone has it in a
> pdf, please send to the group.
> If nothing turns up in the next day or so I will scan the chapter and post
> it. I do not love all that it has to say, but it seems worthwhile for those
> interested in the issues.
>
> mike
>
> Adams, G., & Markus, H.R., (2003). Toward a conception of culture suitable
> for a social psychology of culture. In, M. Schaller, M., & C.S. Crandall
> (Eds.). *The Psychological Foundations of Culture. Erlbaum. Mahwah, NJ. pp.
> 335-360.*
>
> On Fri, Aug 5, 2016 at 11:58 PM, Rod Parker-Rees <
> R.Parker-Rees@plymouth.ac.uk> wrote:
>
> > Many thanks for this, Mike.
> >
> > I too would love to read this article. I am particularly interested in
> > the way many cultures (some more than others) tend to nail down flows
> > and processes by turning verbs into nouns. While there is a
> > developmental model which emphasises flow and change there are others
> > which aim to halt or dam the flow by identifying stages (like locks
> > along a river?) which can be thought about more as things. And there
> > are versions of social psychology which focus more on relationships,
> interactions and intersubjectivity.
> >
> > I think there is something about the necessary abstractness of
> > concepts (which have to be sufficiently pulled out from specific
> > contexts to allow them to be shared) that draws them towards
> > reification, turning a flow into a thing (the river, the flow!). But
> > in our lived experience the past runs into the present and the future
> > also shapes the flow. I think the idea of perezhivanie catches this
> > idea of a reciprocity between our past social experiences and the way we
> make sense of what flows our way.
> >
> > Sorry if this seems vague and fluid!
> >
> > All the best,
> >
> > Rod
> >
> > On 6 Aug 2016 1:23 am, mike cole <mcole@ucsd.edu> wrote:
> > I stumbled over an article on the "the psychological foundations of
> > culture" with a summary/discussion article by Adams and Markus. (ref
> > below). The authors contrast two prominent definitions/theories of
> > culture prominent in the literature on the relationship between
> > culture and human psychological processes. The characterization struck
> > me forcefully as an example of Bauman's solid-liquid distinction in a
> > different discourse stream, providing food for thought on the topic of
> > mind, culture, and activity.
> >
> >
> >
> > One approach is closely related to developmental approaches such as my
> > own, Barbara Rogoff, Patricia Greenfield, Mike Tomasello). It traces
> > its origins to ploughshares and agriculture, the process of making
> > things grow, nurturing. a process transpiring over time. The other
> > (Social Psychology) adopts "the customary beliefs, social forms, of a
> > racial, religious, or social group."
> >
> >
> >
> > The first, developmental approach is said to view "culture as dynamic
> > process or flowing medium" while the second, social psychology view is
> > described as an "entity conception of culture." The entity conception
> > "implies a conception of culture as a relatively 'fixed' system of
> > "customary beliefs, social forms, and material traits." It also
> > associates this system with readily identifiable 'racial, religious, or
> social group."
> >
> >
> >
> > The authors then list "several undesireable consequences" of adopting
> > the entity point of view. I found these very interesting. I will just
> > list them. If there is sufficient interest I can get a scan of the
> chapter made.
> >
> >
> >
> > Stereotyping
> >
> > Homogenizing
> >
> > Essentializing
> >
> > Reifying
> >
> >
> >
> > There is, unfortunately, no similar list for the liquid,
> > developmental, perspective. Liquids, Bauman remind us can spill and
> > spoil the rug and need to be contained. They flow, to be sure, but
> > that flow is constrained by a cup.
> >
> >
> >
> > The authors adopt a view they call "culture as patterns."
> >
> >
> >
> > The juxtaposition of these readings and the ongoing discussion of the
> > 11 ox paintings has induced me to think again about long standing
> > ideas. Always enlightening. Thanks.
> >
> >
> > mike
> >
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> > object that creates history. Ernst Boesch
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It is the dilemma of psychology to deal as a natural science with an object
that creates history. Ernst Boesch