[Xmca-l] Re: imagination and controlling the perception of visualillusions.

[Huw Lloyd]

Hi Greg,

Yes, I think that would work.  Nevertheless, the clip demonstrates a means
of applying a schema to construct an experiment employing variables of
culture, imagination and perception.

With respect to platforms for the tube in London, it looks like my memory
is correct:
http://anonw.com/2013/05/05/do-we-need-big-arrows-in-underground-stations/

Best,
Huw

On 2 October 2015 at 02:05, Greg Thompson <greg.a.thompson@gmail.com> wrote:

> I like Henry's suggested modification of the title of Mike's paper:
> "Mending the gap"
> Huw, I assume you could do it without a strobe, just with a little video
> editing where you cut out most of the frames and just keep a frame every
> tenth of a second or so. Then our brains can do the mending.
> As for direction, I think it depends on whether the platforms are centrally
> located (i.e. between the two tracks) or peripherally located (i.e., on the
> "outside" of the tracks).
>
> -greg
>
> On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 3:17 PM, Lplarry <lpscholar2@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Henry,
> > The saccadic eye movements indicating the centrality of minding the gap
> is
> > literally a fact.
> > The question which this fact opens is the factor of gaps within other
> > event structures.
> > For example when exploring structures being generated  we imagine
> > "bridges" linking and overcoming the gaps between.
> > However minding the gap indicates the profound necessity of the gap
> ITSELF.
> > If we fail to "mind" (or bridge) the gap is the gap still a constitutive
> > aspect IN ITSELF?
> > For example, with gesture, there is the rhythmic movement in relation to
> > the other. However, besides the two participants moving in rhythm is the
> > reality of the gap (or intervals) that "open" within the rhythmic
> gestures
> > also another profoundly relevant factor in the ensuing rhythmic gestures?
> > I am "reading" the concept "gap" as a key metaphor.
> > Eric Fromm described western notions of God as residing in a person's
> > beliefs (thoughts) of God.
> > In contrast Buddhism and Taoism focus not on beliefs but on right
> > "action". They also have sophisticated elaborations of the "gap".
> > I have a hunch that there is something "beyond" our belief and beyond
> > "bridging" that is continually opening gaps and intervals as new vistas
> > within our acts.
> > This something beyond our  structurings has been called the  "inner
> > feeling" of the event (not to be confused with the "inner feeling" of a
> > single person's mind.
> >
> > A concrete example is the structure of the concept "reading fluency".
> > Three characteristics have been "identified in this concept (word
> accuracy
> > - rate of words in a measured time - prosody or tone).
> > I am suggesting this third characteristic -prosody/tone - is the "inner
> > feeling" within the event of reading fluency.
> > This has to do with rhythm and gaps.
> > Are saccadic eye movements and the rhythm of prosody  sharing a family
> > resemblance (not an identity) that comes back to Dewey's notion of having
> > an experience?
> > Larry
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: "HENRY SHONERD" <hshonerd@gmail.com>
> > Sent: ‎2015-‎10-‎01 12:40 PM
> > To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca-l@mailman.ucsd.edu>
> > Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: imagination and controlling the perception of
> > visualillusions.
> >
> > Something that has intrigued me, and may be relevant to the thread, has
> > been how I can “freeze” the movement of my overhead fans by voluntarily
> > jerking my eyes back and forth as I gaze at the revolving fan blades.
> When
> > I keep my eyes fixed, the blades blur. When I jerk my eyes back and
> forth,
> > the blades seem to stop. Or so I perceive it. In the Pelaprat & Cole
> > article (2011) on mending the gap, Etienne and Mike discuss saccadic eye
> > movements as “central to the perception of the world”.
> > Henry
> >
> > > On Oct 1, 2015, at 1:06 PM, Huw Lloyd <huw.softdesigns@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > On 1 October 2015 at 19:27, Martin John Packer <
> mpacker@uniandes.edu.co>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> So it's filling the gap again!  :)
> > >>
> > >
> > > Or minding it, yes.
> > >
> > >
> > >>
> > >> Martin
> > >>
> > >> On Oct 1, 2015, at 1:16 PM, Huw Lloyd <huw.softdesigns@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> On 1 October 2015 at 19:13, Huw Lloyd <huw.softdesigns@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On 1 October 2015 at 19:11, Martin John Packer <
> > mpacker@uniandes.edu.co
> > >>>
> > >>>> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> Huw,
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Might this be an artifact of the digital encoding of the video?
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Could you head to a tube station and try it with a real train?  :)
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I suspect you'd need strobe lighting.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Huw
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>> E.g.
> > >>>
> > >>> https://vimeo.com/116582567
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Martin
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On Oct 1, 2015, at 10:21 AM, Huw Lloyd <huw.softdesigns@gmail.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> I came across this meme/advert on linkedin, which is an animation
> > of a
> > >>>>> tube
> > >>>>>> train:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>
> >
> https://buffer-pictures.s3.amazonaws.com/c2f41e8d32861d26bdecfc62f0d979e3.f009ceaeaf27dba4eb65f2ca247e9513.php
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Ignoring the glib annotation, it did seem to be a little
> interesting
> > >> to
> > >>>>>> discover if there was a reliable way to manipulate the perception
> of
> > >> the
> > >>>>>> direction of the train.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Interestingly, this is something that I find I can do by imagining
> > >> that
> > >>>>> I
> > >>>>>> can see an object within the train moving in the direction I wish,
> > so
> > >>>>> that
> > >>>>>> perceived direction can be switched at will -- i.e. the perception
> > of
> > >>>>> the
> > >>>>>> train can be shuttled back and forth.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> I'm not sure whether conditioning of memories of living in London
> > >> would
> > >>>>>> influence this (it is a London tube train).  Also, the speed at
> > which
> > >>>>> the
> > >>>>>> train is going suggests its going away, because a train coming
> into
> > a
> > >>>>>> platform would usually, I think, be going slower.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Best,
> > >>>>>> Huw
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
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