[Xmca-l] Re: 4 experiencing fans

Tue Nov 3 07:37:37 PST 2015

Robert,
let's focus in on this *just*
 Just one of those labelling *intuitions* that arrived out of the blue.  My
question is if it arrived *within* the blue?

Andy mentioned the label *living experience*.

I want to offer Vincent Colipietro's 1st order voice [genesis or natality]
exploring this theme of *just intuitions OF*
He is marking an aspect of Peirce's notion of *living experience* [which
has a SEMBLANCE to Vygotsky's notions]

"

But it is other facets of Peirce’s preoccupation with growth that I want

to consider here. While *methodeutic *captures Peirce’s focal preoccupation

with offering a normative account of objective inquiry, in the context of an

evolutionary cosmology, speculative rhetoric conveys the still largely
unrealized

potential of his philosophical imagination, inasmuch as this imagination

is evident in his vision of a thoroughly generalized conception of

rhetoric (see, however, Bird, 1959; also Santaella, 1999, esp. pp. 388–90).

According to Peirce, “the woof and warp of all thought and all research is

symbols, and the life of thought and science is the life inherent in
symbols”

(CP 2.220). Symbols cannot function apart from other modes of signification,

so a detailed, nuanced, and comprehensive account of the various

modes of signification is required for doing justice to scientific
investigation

(or objective inquiry). However, the execution of this task requires

unblinking recognition of the vital character, the irrepressible life,
inherent

in our experimental practices (see, e.g., CP 1.234–5). But, from Peirce’s

perspective, the very forms of living beings grow (not just those organisms

themselves): by complex processes involving chance and catastrophe,

compulsive attractions and alluring radiance, fierce struggle and cherishing

concern, the forms of life themselves evolve."

Robert, what Colipietro is saying expressing his 1st order voice is the
need for unblinking recognition of the vital character [anima character]
the irrepressible life INHERENT [in other words *within*] our experimental
practices.

I do not know if Vasilyuk's notions have a family *semblance* to this
exploration of "living experience" within a *space of play* [situations]
but I speculate it does.

Larry

On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 6:36 AM, Robert Lake <boblake@georgiasouthern.edu>
wrote:

> Hi All,
> In a series of emails to Professor Bruner I wrote when writing
> about the history of Vygotsky's legacy in the USA I asked him:
>
>
>
> * "When did you first come up with the notion of scaffolding? Was
> it connected to an observation out of your own experience in research or a
> personal experience?"*
>
>
> Here is his reply.
>  On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 2:05 PM, Jerome S Bruner <jsb3@nyu.edu> wrote:
>
> * Just one of those "labelling intuitions" that came out of the blue!
> jb*
>
> Robert Lake
>
> On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 7:49 PM, mike cole <mcole@ucsd.edu> wrote:
>
> > Hi Niktarios --- The difficulty of separating what LSV wrote from later
> > interpretations that get read back on to him is pervasive and probably
> > unavoidable. Even those who read his Russian texts do not agree on
> > interpretation.
> >
> > The difficulty is compounded for us non-Russians because of translation
> > difficulties (to which I have contributed -- see mca article on
> obuchenie)
> > but it is also a result of people reading secondary sources and assuming
> > that the writer's position, even when s/he draws upon LSV, is equivalent
> to
> > LSV.
> >
> > Scaffolding is one of those innovations that seems to stick around
> > tenaciously, despite criticism.
> >
> > I think its great that the perezhivanie discussion has led to issues of
> > therapy which have much less hold in the US, it seems, than other parts
> of
> > the world.. Lois Holtzman's writings on the topic are a clear exception.
> > For those with this kind of interest, it provides an opening for finding
> > out who else in xmca land is similarly inclined.
> >
> > mike
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 4:30 PM, Nektarios Alexi <
> > NEKTARIOS.ALEXI@cdu.edu.au>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I googled and just found the following abstract
> > >
> > >
> > > In his most recent writings Michael White made extensive reference to
> the
> > > work of Russian psychologist Lev Vygotsky, taking up several Vygotskian
> > > concepts (e.g., scaffolding) into a re-visioning of his narrative
> > > conversations maps. We used observational coding to test White's newly
> > > formulated scaffolding conversations map against actual process in
> > therapy
> > > with children, and the current paper is a qualitative report of our
> > > findings. We found that most speech turns were codable at some level of
> > the
> > > map, that children responded to therapists' scaffolding, and that
> > > therapists and children tended to proceed through the steps of the map
> in
> > > single-session therapy. These findings demonstrate that White's model
> of
> > > therapy is observable and suggest that change occurred at the level of
> > > language over the session. This study lays the foundation for future
> > > research regarding potential links between White's process and
> > therapeutic
> > > outcomes.
> > >
> > > Read More:
> > >
> >
> http://guilfordjournals.com/doi/abs/10.1521/jsyt.2010.29.4.74?journalCode=jsyt
> > >
> > > ________________________________________
> > > From: xmca-l-bounces+nektarios.alexi=cdu.edu.au@mailman.ucsd.edu
> > > [xmca-l-bounces+nektarios.alexi=cdu.edu.au@mailman.ucsd.edu] on behalf
> > of
> > > Nektarios Alexi [NEKTARIOS.ALEXI@cdu.edu.au]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, 3 November 2015 9:57 AM
> > > To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> > > Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: 4 experiencing fans
> > >
> > > Yes Philip I thought it would be from Brunner who got the idea of
> > > scaffolding but in one of his books he claims that this idea is from
> > > Vygotsky.
> > >
> > > ________________________________________
> > > From: xmca-l-bounces+nektarios.alexi=cdu.edu.au@mailman.ucsd.edu
> > > [xmca-l-bounces+nektarios.alexi=cdu.edu.au@mailman.ucsd.edu] on behalf
> > of
> > > White, Phillip [Phillip.White@ucdenver.edu]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, 3 November 2015 9:51 AM
> > > To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> > > Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: 4 experiencing fans
> > >
> > > as it turns out, Alexi, wikipedia sez influences on michael white (who
> is
> > > reported to have died in san diego in 2008) are:
> > >
> > > Influences
> > > While early influences included those of systems theory and cybernetics
> > > (Gregory Bateson),[7] White's main work drew on a wide range of
> sources,
> > > including literary theory (Jerome Bruner), cultural anthropology
> > (Clifford
> > > Geertz, Barbara Myerhoff, Victor Turner), non-structuralist psychology
> > > (William James, Lev Vygotsky) and French critical / post-structuralist
> > > philosophy (Jacques Derrida, Gilles Deleuze and Michel Foucault).[8]
> > >
> > > so, probably white got the notion of scaffolding from jerome bruner,
> who
> > > has promoted the theory or scaffolding.
> > >
> > > phillip
> > > ________________________________________
> > > From: xmca-l-bounces+phillip.white=ucdenver.edu@mailman.ucsd.edu
> > > <xmca-l-bounces+phillip.white=ucdenver.edu@mailman.ucsd.edu> on behalf
> > of
> > > Nektarios Alexi <NEKTARIOS.ALEXI@cdu.edu.au>
> > > Sent: Monday, November 2, 2015 4:54 PM
> > > To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> > > Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: 4 experiencing fans
> > >
> > > I have not seen it my self at any of Vygotskys work but Michael White
> in
> > > one of his books claims he  uses the idea of scaffolding that is taken
> > from
> > > Vygotsky's work for psychotherapeutic practice.Thats why I have said
> that
> > > it could be that Michael White never read Vygotsky. He might read some
> > > interpretations of Vygotsky from other scholars but not the original
> work
> > > of Vygotksy.
> > >
> > > I remember when I got interviewed for a couple counselling position and
> > > got asked whom are my favourite writers and said that one is Vygotsky
> > (that
> > > was 3 years ago) the respond was "oh yes we know Vygotsky, Michael
> White
> > > the father of narrative therapy he uses his idea of scaffolding in his
> > > theories for counseling" since then to be honest I was thinking that
> > > scaffolding was Vygotksys concept:)
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > It is the dilemma of psychology to deal as a natural science with an
> > object that creates history. Ernst Boesch
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Robert Lake  Ed.D.
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> Social Foundations of Education
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