[Xmca-l] Re: Also NY Review of Books

[Ed Wall]

Ulvi

     What is termed Early Childhood education might, if I understand you, be an interesting parallel (although not necessarily so).

Ed

On May 13, 2015, at  12:39 AM, Ulvi İçil <ulvi.icil@gmail.com> wrote:

> "So our minds and our bodies are a living subject-object contradiction".
> 
> Can anybody point out to a parallel in education what Andy indicated? e.g.
> tailoring a content to a particular student characteristics. I think this
> needs to be one of the core points of pedagogy as the science of teaching
> and learning. For instance, content knowledge and a transformed form of it,
> made teachable and learnable for the student by the teacher.
> 
> Ulvi
> 
> 
> 
> On 13 May 2015 at 04:43, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net> wrote:
> 
>> Allow me to make an interpretation of the quote which makes sense of why
>> Sacks would talk about neurons when introducing the topic of individuality.
>> The contradiction is one inherent in all living beings, and in human
>> beings in particular.
>> Our neurons connect only to other neurons, our own eyes, our own stomach,
>> our own hands. I can only see what falls on my eyes, I can only digest what
>> is in my stomch and hold only what is in my hand. But our minds are not
>> confined in this way under the skin. On the contrary. What is see is not in
>> the eye, but is a material object; what I digest and gives me life is a
>> product of industry, what I hold in my had is an artefact - the object of
>> my desire is objective, material. The content of mind is objective and
>> irreducibly social. But the form is that of a biological organism.
>> So our minds and our bodies are a living subject-object contradiction.
>> Individuality is not the same as "individualism." To be an individual does
>> not imply selfishness, independent thinking, neo-liberal delusions or
>> anything of the kind. It is simply to be an organism. An individual
>> constituent of the human race, which becomes a social being.
>> Andy
>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>> *Andy Blunden*
>> http://home.pacific.net.au/~andy/
>> 
>> On 13/05/2015 5:47 AM, Kindred, Jessica Dr. wrote:
>> 
>>> Hmm. I think Oliver Sacks has been very much about the individual AND the
>>> social, and that the gift of seeing the individual instead of the disease
>>> and despite the disease and within the disease and shaped by the disease
>>> has been his hallmark. I also think he is grappling with his own
>>> individuality, and we would be helped to see him as a developmental being
>>> grappling with developmentally appropriate issues as he does two things he
>>> really has not done before: to come out as gay and to come out as having a
>>> fatal diagnosis.
>>> And yes, Leif! Seeing Voices is the best Oliver Sacks with such great
>>> appreciations of Vygotsky and Luria-- very much an appreciation of the
>>> social and cultural dimensions of development.
>>> When I met Dr. Sacks at a Narcolepsy Network benefit a few years ago, I
>>> introduced myself as a great fan and reader of his books, and as one
>>> sharing in his love for Vygotsky and really appreciating the way that he
>>> incorporated Vygotsky. That was just before his Hallucinations book, which
>>> includes a chapter on Narcolepsy, an interest launched by his engagement
>>> with the topic through interviews with my twin sister who has narcolepsy
>>> and many others... acknowledged on p. 293. So when I met him, I also
>>> introduced myself by saying that he probably recognizes me, since I look
>>> just like my twin sister... and the blank look on his face was explained to
>>> me only months later when I heard an interview of him talking about his
>>> proposagnosia, an aspect of his neuronal individuality that makes him
>>> unable to recognize faces.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Jessica Kindred, Ph.D.
>>> Instructional Staff, Psychology
>>> The College of New Rochelle
>>> School of New Resources, Brooklyn campus
>>> 1368 Fulton Street
>>> Brooklyn, NY 11216
>>> 718 638 2500
>>> jkindred@cnr.edu
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: xmca-l-bounces+jkindred=cnr.edu@mailman.ucsd.edu [mailto:
>>> xmca-l-bounces+jkindred=cnr.edu@mailman.ucsd.edu] On Behalf Of Leif
>>> Strandberg
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 2:50 PM
>>> To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
>>> Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: Also NY Review of Books
>>> 
>>> That does not sound like Oliver Sacks at all :-(  I prefer to read his
>>> Seeing voices (1989) again. Where we meet both Vygotsky and Luria and the
>>> whole perspective in which human sociality and culture come to the fore.
>>> Leif
>>> Sweden
>>> 12 maj 2015 kl. 17:12 skrev Robert Lake <boblake@georgiasouthern.edu>:
>>> 
>>> Yes Greg I was bothered by that statement too. Especially when he
>>>> acknowledges Luria's work earlier in his career.
>>>> Robert
>>>> 
>>> 
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