[Xmca-l] Re: "Language Gap" forum in JLA

[mike cole]

​Re solving poverty. This story from the NY Times seems worthy of
consideration. All one has to do is scale up this program a tad. Imagine!
mike​

On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 3:39 PM, mike cole <mcole@ucsd.edu> wrote:

> I thought this topic was in an exchange between Peter and myself, but glad
> to see I was wrong. My own very partial response on this specific issue is
> attached. At least its short!
> The directly relevant material is the description of the work of bill hall
> and colleagues conducted in the 1970's and widely ignored.
>
> The illusion that parent training programs will end poverty is certainly a
> powerful one in the United States. At the very least, social scientists can
> stop making inequalities worse by misusing the tools of their trade
> eggregiously.
>
> mike
>
> On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 2:05 PM, Greg Thompson <greg.a.thompson@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Yes, I recently read Paul Tough's book Whatever it Takes about Geoffrey
>> Canada's Harlem Children's Zone. I recall that Hart and Risley's study was
>> one among many that were central to Canada's vision of things (and it
>> played a very central role in the argument presented in the book).
>> I can't help but wonder if this isn't just a way of dealing with the
>> problem of fundraising and getting funding.
>> Anyone else?
>> -greg
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 1:56 PM, Peter Smagorinsky <smago@uga.edu> wrote:
>>
>> > Mike, help us out with some titles?
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: xmca-l-bounces+smago=uga.edu@mailman.ucsd.edu [mailto:
>> > xmca-l-bounces+smago=uga.edu@mailman.ucsd.edu] On Behalf Of mike cole
>> > Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 3:16 PM
>> > To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
>> > Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: "Language Gap" forum in JLA
>> >
>> > did you see my paper on this issue using bill hall's work?
>> > Its one of my list of topics lurching along
>> >
>> > m
>> >
>> > On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 11:54 AM, Peter Smagorinsky <smago@uga.edu>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > > I agree. The "word gap" research has often been conducted using
>> > > standardized vocabulary tests that assume that if words aren't on the
>> > > tests, then they don't really count. And guess whose words are on the
>> > > tests? Not the kid in the housing project or barrio.
>> > >
>> > > But I've heard well-regarded university professors refer to the
>> > > Matthew Effect of rich getting richer and poor getting poorer based on
>> > > how kids are talked to at home. How many white university
>> > > researchers--the sort of people who makes these claims--have ever
>> > > tried to get up a housing project staircase to talk to anyone and see
>> > > what they're saying and where they learned it from? (I say staircase
>> > > because when I lived in Chicago, a chronic problem of high rise
>> > > housing projects was that gangs would disable the elevators as soon as
>> > > they opened and patrol the lobbies and stairwells to control life in
>> > > the building.)
>> > >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: xmca-l-bounces+smago=uga.edu@mailman.ucsd.edu [mailto:
>> > > xmca-l-bounces+smago=uga.edu@mailman.ucsd.edu] On Behalf Of mike cole
>> > > Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 2:21 PM
>> > > To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
>> > > Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: "Language Gap" forum in JLA
>> > >
>> > > Very interesting paper. It is amazing how the culture of poverty has
>> > > made such a comback.
>> > > mike
>> > >
>> > > On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 11:18 AM, mike cole <mcole@ucsd.edu> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > thanks!!
>> > > > mike
>> > > >
>> > > > On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 10:46 AM, Peter Smagorinsky <smago@uga.edu>
>> > > wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > >> A lot of pretty smart contributors to this forum. p
>> > > >>
>> > > >>
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > --
>> > > >
>> > > > All there is to thinking is seeing something noticeable which makes
>> > > > you see something you weren't noticing which makes you see something
>> > > > that isn't even visible. N. McLean, *A River Runs Through it*
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > >
>> > > All there is to thinking is seeing something noticeable which makes
>> > > you see something you weren't noticing which makes you see something
>> > > that isn't even visible. N. McLean, *A River Runs Through it*
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> > All there is to thinking is seeing something noticeable which makes you
>> > see something you weren't noticing which makes you see something that
>> isn't
>> > even visible. N. McLean, *A River Runs Through it*
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> --
>> Gregory A. Thompson, Ph.D.
>> Assistant Professor
>> Department of Anthropology
>> 880 Spencer W. Kimball Tower
>> Brigham Young University
>> Provo, UT 84602
>> http://byu.academia.edu/GregoryThompson
>>
>
>
>
> --
>
> All there is to thinking is seeing something noticeable which makes
> you see something you weren't noticing which makes you see something
> that isn't even visible. N. McLean, *A River Runs Through it*
>
>
>


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All there is to thinking is seeing something noticeable which makes
you see something you weren't noticing which makes you see something
that isn't even visible. N. McLean, *A River Runs Through it*
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