[Xmca-l] Re: units of analysis? LSV versus ANL

[Martin John Packer]

I don't agree with you here, Andy. I read Crisis, and T&L, as aspects of LSV's science of *consciousness*. ANL's mistake was that he equated consciousness with the mental, and so concluded that LSV is an idealist. However, LSV takes consciousness to be *relational*, an aspect of how human beings live in the world. *This* is his escape from dualism. For LSV, consciousness is not simply subjective, a mental 'reflection' of an external material world, a realm of mere 'appearances.' Consciousness is an aspect of human being, which is embodied and social.

Martin

On Oct 17, 2014, at 11:33 PM, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net> wrote:

> What Vygotsky has done which allows him to develop a nondualistic psychology is that he took as his *most fundamental* concept "action". His other key concepts, his units of analysis for the various investigations, are also concepts which are intrinsically subjective/objective. E.g., word meaning, defect-compensation, perezhivanie. This is it: choose as your unit of analysis a concept which is a unity of objective and subjective.
> 
> ANL would agree with his, but in his critique he is trying to muddy the water by claiming that Vygosky takes as his fundamental concept, "consciousness".