[Xmca-l] Re: Ilyenkov and Vygotsky

[Huw Lloyd]

Ch. 11, problem of the general (universal) may serve as the most
direct/practical relevance to your relations between LSV & Ilyenkov.  It is
an important principle in the unit of analysis.

Davydov's & Radzikhovskii's (1985) paper, Vygotsky's theory and the
activity-oriented approach in psychology, may help you to relate LSV to
Leontyev's Activity Theory via the philosophical elaboration of activity as
an explanatory principle.

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=inI3AAAAIAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=culture+communication+and+cognition+vygotskian&hl=en&sa=X&ei=hfRPU7uHG-qf7gbroYCYCA&ved=0CDMQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=culture%20communication%20and%20cognition%20vygotskian&f=false

Best,
Huw



On 17 April 2014 16:12, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net> wrote:

> Certainly! Ilyenkov (in my view) builds on Vygotsky. My reservations were
> about *criticising*, i.e., using Ilyenkov against Vygotsky.
> Reading Ilyenkov to support a reading of Vygotsky would be most fruitful.
>
> Andy
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> Rauno Huttunen wrote:
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>> Hello,
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>> I think that there could be some common elements between Vygotskian logic
>> of ZPD and Iljenkovian dialectical logic.
>>
>> Rauno Huttunen
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>> Aihe: [Xmca-l] Re: Ilyenkov and Vygotsky
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>> Though I can see how you caan relate the question of thought and matter
>> to the concept of perewzhivanie, I really think these are questions at a
>> different level of abstraction and you had better leave perezhivanie out
>> of it, to tackle the relevance of Spinoza to Vygotsky's psychology. I
>> think he idea of criticising Vygotsky from the point of view of Ilyenkov
>> is not likely to be fruitful. Criticising Vygotsky from the standpoint
>> of Spinoza even less so.
>>
>> Andy
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>> *Andy Blunden*
>> http://home.mira.net/~andy/
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>> Wagner Luiz Schmit wrote:
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>>> Dear xmca colleagues,
>>>
>>> I am still struggling to learn philosophy and the philosophical
>>> foundations
>>> of CHAT.
>>>
>>> Righ now I am reading Ilyenkov "Dialetical
>>> Logic<http://www.marxists.org/archive/ilyenkov/works/essays/index.htm>"
>>> and the "thinking body" concept presented on chapter 2, about Spinoza, is
>>> really interesting.
>>>
>>> So after listening to some claims of the relationship between Vygotsky
>>> and
>>> Ilyenkov (that I discovered was also involved in the Zagorsk
>>> experiment), I
>>> searched the internet and found this paper
>>> <http://u.jimdo.com/www31/o/s8750af8c69baf2a5/download/
>>> m2aa8edc95dfadc5e/1297190036/Ilyenkov+and+Revolution+in+
>>> Psychology.pdf?px-hash=27b6c2e8e5025382eccf85932e37ac
>>> 586abaa5df&px-time=1397713488>with
>>> some critics to Vygotsky and Leontiev from the perspective of Ilyenkov
>>> (and
>>> Spinoza?).
>>>
>>> I don't know much philosophy yet, and I am also not so familiar with
>>> Leontiev's theory, so I wanted some opinion on these critics if possible.
>>>
>>> Also I was wondering if it is reasonable to approach Ilyenkov "thinking
>>> body" with Vygotsky "*perezhivanie*".
>>>
>>> Thank you
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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