[Xmca-l] Re: Ilyenkov and Vygotsky

[Andy Blunden]

Certainly! Ilyenkov (in my view) builds on Vygotsky. My reservations 
were about *criticising*, i.e., using Ilyenkov against Vygotsky.
Reading Ilyenkov to support a reading of Vygotsky would be most fruitful.
Andy
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*Andy Blunden*
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Rauno Huttunen wrote:
> Hello,
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> I think that there could be some common elements between Vygotskian logic of ZPD and Iljenkovian dialectical logic.
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> Rauno Huttunen
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> Vastaanottaja: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> Aihe: [Xmca-l] Re: Ilyenkov and Vygotsky
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> Though I can see how you caan relate the question of thought and matter
> to the concept of perewzhivanie, I really think these are questions at a
> different level of abstraction and you had better leave perezhivanie out
> of it, to tackle the relevance of Spinoza to Vygotsky's psychology. I
> think he idea of criticising Vygotsky from the point of view of Ilyenkov
> is not likely to be fruitful. Criticising Vygotsky from the standpoint
> of Spinoza even less so.
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> Andy
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> Wagner Luiz Schmit wrote:
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>> Dear xmca colleagues,
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>> I am still struggling to learn philosophy and the philosophical foundations
>> of CHAT.
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>> Righ now I am reading Ilyenkov "Dialetical
>> Logic<http://www.marxists.org/archive/ilyenkov/works/essays/index.htm>"
>> and the "thinking body" concept presented on chapter 2, about Spinoza, is
>> really interesting.
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>> So after listening to some claims of the relationship between Vygotsky and
>> Ilyenkov (that I discovered was also involved in the Zagorsk experiment), I
>> searched the internet and found this paper
>> <http://u.jimdo.com/www31/o/s8750af8c69baf2a5/download/m2aa8edc95dfadc5e/1297190036/Ilyenkov+and+Revolution+in+Psychology.pdf?px-hash=27b6c2e8e5025382eccf85932e37ac586abaa5df&px-time=1397713488>with
>> some critics to Vygotsky and Leontiev from the perspective of Ilyenkov (and
>> Spinoza?).
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>> I don't know much philosophy yet, and I am also not so familiar with
>> Leontiev's theory, so I wanted some opinion on these critics if possible.
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>> Also I was wondering if it is reasonable to approach Ilyenkov "thinking
>> body" with Vygotsky "*perezhivanie*".
>>
>> Thank you
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