Re: [xmca] The business of education

[Larry Purss <lpscholar2@gmail.com>]

" replaced by the calculus of perpetual monitoring"
Promoted as an *ideal* to strive for.

Carol, how central is *teachers mediating ethics and relationships* to
their role description?
This article by proposing a particular *solution* and *method* to promote
*education*has given one answer to your question.
Larry


On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 10:46 AM, Huw Lloyd <huw.softdesigns@gmail.com>wrote:

> " One definite perk for instuctors: the software does most of the grading
> for them."
>
> Looks like the machine has been there a long time, Carol.
>
> Huw
>
> On 30 July 2013 17:37, Carol Macdonald <carolmacdon@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > We already have young people who only know how to talk to people over
> their
> > social media and not those next to them. Now we don't have the teachers
> > mediating ethics and values in their relationships with their learners.
> > Perhaps the new generation will only be able to mediate their
> relationships
> > of every kind through machines - are those relationships with people
> going
> > to survive this assault.
> >
> > (The epistemology of learning as linear is a huge problem, but its
> effects
> > on relationships that are more dangerous.)
> >
> > Carol
> >
> > On 30 July 2013 15:26, Wagner Luiz Schmit <wagner.schmit@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > This just came out:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=how-big-data-taking-teachers-out-lecturing-business
> > >
> > >
> > > Wagner
> > >
> > > On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 10:30 AM, mike cole <lchcmike@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > > And lots of people marvel at the progress, Helena.
> > > > bait and switch.... and pay taxes like Apple!
> > > > :-)
> > > > mike
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 10:23 AM, Helena Worthen <
> > > helenaworthen@gmail.com>wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Hello -- the letter from Meister is really worth reading. It
> explains
> > > why
> > > >> MOOCs need the CSU system (and other public higher education
> > > connections)
> > > >> more than CSU needs MOOCs.
> > > >>
> > > >> Although short-term, the linkup with Coursera to offer MOOCs in
> > various
> > > >> disciplines appears to solve the immediate problem of how to expand
> > > access
> > > >> to already crowded, booked-up, high-tuition face to face classrooms,
> > it
> > > >> solves a different problem for Coursera and other big MOOC
> companies.
> > > >>
> > > >> That problem is, long-term ‹ and this is an important problem, since
> > > >> Coursera, like the other MOOC companies, is a private company, like
> > > >> Facebook, LinkedIn, Yahoo,  Amazon, etc. -- how to make money. Right
> > now
> > > >> MOOCs are free, or at least some are free. How can they figure out
> how
> > > >> much to charge? How much are they "worth" --?
> > > >>
> > > >> The  simplest way to figure that out would be to hook up with a
> state
> > > >> university and say, "Our class is worth three credits at San Jose
> > State,
> > > >> and tuition at San Jose State for three credits is $2,400, so our
> > class
> > > >> should cost $2,400."  But it can get much, much  more fine-grained
> > than
> > > >> that, since all kinds of personal information gets collected when
> > > someone
> > > >> enrolls in a class.
> > > >>
> > > >> Bottom line- without the hookup to established institutions, all the
> > > MOOCs
> > > >> offer is celebrity teachers doing what are essentially TV shows or
> > > >> audiotape classes (you may have noticed that the price on Great
> > > >> Teacher-type audio tapes have crashed from $299 to less than $100
> > > >> recently). So no matter how celebrated a professor is, it's the
> hookup
> > > to
> > > >> an institution that makes it possible to establish market value. And
> > > make
> > > >> huge money in the long run.
> > > >>
> > > >> Which is basically gutting the public education system and
> > transferring
> > > >> its authority to  exchange credits for tuition to a private company.
> > > >>
> > > >> Another argument for free public higher education -- the only way
> that
> > > >> public education can compete against a for-profit system.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> Helena
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> On 5/11/13 1:30 PM, "mike cole" <lchcmike@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> >The following letter from the UC faculty association president
> seems
> > > worth
> > > >> >distributing. Fraught futures.
> > > >> >mike
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >CUCFA President Meister's Open Letter to Coursera Founder Daphne
> > Koller
> > > >> > http://cucfa.org/news/2013_may10.php
> > > >> >
> > > >> >......
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> >http://cucfa.org/news/2013_may10.ph<
> > > http://cucfa.org/news/2013_may10.php>
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> > > >>
> > > >>
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> > --
> > Carol A  Macdonald Ph D (Edin)
> > Developmental psycholinguist
> > Academic, Researcher,  and Editor  *EditLab.net*
> > Honorary Research Fellow: Department of Linguistics, Unisa
> >
> >
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