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Re: [xmca] Educational neuroscience

Ulvi
Have you read (Ryabova) Tatiana Akhutina's many articles ?   Tatiana also references Vladimir Bibler , a renown philosopher , to this respect .
Best     
Haydi 


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 From: Ulvi İçil <ulvi.icil@gmail.com>
To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu> 
Sent: Wednesday, 24 July 2013, 19:43:26
Subject: Re: [xmca] Educational neuroscience
 


As far as I know, there is a strong neuroscience in Russia in the line of

Alexander Romanovitch's work, Homskaya and his many other students

continued his work a lot.

Ulvi


2013/7/24 Wagner Luiz Schmit <wagner.schmit@gmail.com>


> Hello Huw,

>

> I like that text pretty much (I always returned to it in our research

> group in Brazil and I will present it again this week to our research

> group in Japan). And this text, acording to Leontiev, is from 1930...

> But at the same time Leontiev, in a letter from this same year (if I

> am not mistaken again) points to divergent way of thinking between

> him, Luria and Vygotsky... I unfortunately know very little about

> Luria (just read some texts) and even less about today Russian

> neuroscience, does this proposal by Vygotsky continues in Luria? And

> returning to the main topic, there is still neuroscience following

> these guidelines?

>

> Wagner

>

>

>

> On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 11:54 PM, Huw Lloyd <huw.softdesigns@gmail.com>

> wrote:

> > On 24 July 2013 15:38, Wagner Luiz Schmit <wagner.schmit@gmail.com>

> wrote:

> >

> >> Hello Larry,

> >>

> >> Please say more... I think this is so important, and things point out

> >> that Vygotsky also, otherwise why enter the Medicine course in 1930

> >> (if my memory is not wrong)

> >>

> >> Wagner

> >>

> >

> > "On Psychological Systems", collected works of LSV, v.3, p.105

> >

> > "In actual fact, it seems to me that by introducing the concept of

> > psychological system in the form we discussed, we get a splendid

> > possibility of conceiving the real connections, the real complex

> > relationships that exist."

> >

> > "To a certain degree this also holds true for one of the most difficult

> > problems -- the localization of higher psychological systems."

> >

> > Huw

> >

> >

> >>

> >> On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 11:33 PM, Larry Purss <lpscholar2@gmail.com>

> >> wrote:

> >> > Ulvi,

> >> >

> >> > You mentioned you are interested in *cognitive CHANGE*.

> >> >

> >> > Within the concept  *neuroplasticity* is implicit Nero change.

> >> >

> >> > There is a scholar in France [Catherine Malabou] whose central

> conceptual

> >> > thesis explores *plasticity* as from the Greek *to mold  or to model.*

> >> > She moves the concepts of *dynamic* and *systems* and *theory* and

> >> *neural*

> >> > within the orbit of the central thesis of plasticity as change,

> >> > transformation and metamorphosis.

> >> >

> >> > Not sure if this is too far off topic.

> >> >

> >> > I also want to mention *neo-Piagetian* theory including Vygotsky and

> >> > Wittgenstein is being explored at SIMON Fraser University.

> >> > If interested I could say more.

> >> > Larry

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 6:39 AM, Ulvi İçil <ulvi.icil@gmail.com>

> wrote:

> >> >

> >> >> Dear Andy and all, I found Kurt Fisher, he is at Harvard, Mind, Brain

> >> and

> >> >> Education.

> >> >>

> >> >> He is described as:

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >>

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Piagetian_theories_of_cognitive_development

> >> >>

> >> >> Fischer's theory differs from the other neo-Piagetian theories in a

> >> number

> >> >> of respects. One of them is in the way it explains cognitive change.

> >> >> Specifically, although Fischer does not deny the operation of

> >> information

> >> >> processing constrains on development, he emphasizes on the

> environmental

> >> >> and social rather than individual factors as causes of development.

> To

> >> >> explain developmental change he borrowed two classic notions from Lev

> >> >> Vygotsky,[12]<

> >> >>

> >>

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Piagetian_theories_of_cognitive_development#cite_note-12

> >> >> >that

> >> >> is, internalization and the zone of proximal development.

> >> >>

> >> >> I am rather interested in the application of the new findings in the

> >> field

> >> >> of educational neuroscience into the theory and practice of

> education.

> >> >>

> >> >> Ulvi

> >> >>

> >> >> 2013/7/23 Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net>

> >> >>

> >> >> > Ulvi, best of luck in your search, and maybe someone on this list

> can

> >> >> > help. But don't get your hopes up.

> >> >> > Lawrence Barsalou is a very sophisticated writer on neuroscience,

> but

> >> in:

> >> >> >

> >> >> > Barsalou, L. W. (1992) “Cognitive Psychology. An Overview for

> >> Cognitive

> >> >> > Scientists,” Hillsdale NJ: Lawrence Earlbaum.

> >> >> >

> >> >> > where he has a chapter on education, he characterises education as:

> >> >> > “teachers provide information that students incorporate into

> existing

> >> >> > knowledge” - in other words, not only does he use "folk

> psychology" in

> >> >> his

> >> >> > grasp of the subtlties of education, but he seems to be unaware

> that

> >> this

> >> >> > antiquated "theory" of teaching and learning has been subject to

> any

> >> >> > critique over the past 100 years. A classic illustration of the

> >> problem

> >> >> > that Greg has been raising.

> >> >> >

> >> >> > Andy

> >> >> >

> >> >> >

> >> >> > Ulvi İçil wrote:

> >> >> >

> >> >> >> Dear all,

> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> I would like to know some outstanding scholar names in the field

> of

> >> >> >> educational neuroscience, working in the line of sociocultural

> >> theory.

> >> >> >> Thanks.

> >> >> >> Ulvi

> >> >> >>

> >> >> >>

> >> >> >>

> >> >> >>

> >> >> >

> >> >> > --

> >> >> > ------------------------------**------------------------------**

> >> >> > ------------

> >> >> > *Andy Blunden*

> >> >> > Home Page: http://home.mira.net/~andy/

> >> >> > Book: http://www.brill.nl/concepts

> >> >> > http://marxists.academia.edu/**AndyBlunden<

> >> >> http://marxists.academia.edu/AndyBlunden>

> >> >> >

> >> >> >

> >> >> >

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >

> >>

> >>

> >

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