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Re: [xmca] [ISCAR-ANNOUNCE] Sydney-2014 ISCAR Congress Website now open!
- To: Andy Blunden <email@example.com>, "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
- Subject: Re: [xmca] [ISCAR-ANNOUNCE] Sydney-2014 ISCAR Congress Website now open!
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- Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 21:53:23 -0700
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andy, I sense another question behind this question?
I was amplifying Jussi silvonen's use of this concept *break* as an
expression of a *sense* of living THROUGH *epochs* or *eras*. Andy, is your
question questioning *breaks* also questioning the concept of *epochs* or
*eras* as a way of expressing and experiencing time-consciousness? I am
willing to suggest that *breaks* cannot be confirmed as distinct and the
expression is more rhetorical and narrative. However does this recognition
disqualify it as a concept that makes *sense*?
I will bring Gadamer's perspective on *epochs* into this discussion.
"When a new epoch dawns, one properly takes leave of the old. That is not
forgetting but rather COGNITION. For cognition always occurs in departure.
In departing the old is so separated from the indefinite moments of
expectation which had bound our existence to it as we were engaged and
projected toward the future, that it now first begins to rest completely in
David Vessey, commenting further on this theme of *epochs* adds this
"We recognize time through recognizing our lives as not only temporal but
temporal in a particular way: epochal. The transitions from epoch to epoch
get their temporal importance not from being a JUNCTURE between what was
and what will be, a purely formal idea and characteristic of *empty* time,
but from the awareness of the dissolution of what was before in the advent
of what is new. The consciousness of time arises with the consciousness of
something that was the case having become no longer so."
[David Vessey: Gadamer's hermeneutic contribution to a theory of
Andy, the term *break* which Jussi uses in his article may be implying a
clear and distinct *juncture* between what was and what will be. However,
I read Jussi's central point as exploring a notion of Vygotsky's
theoretical development as moving THROUGH cognitive *epochs* or *eras*.
*Epochs* may not have a scientific *foundation* but are there other
foundations implicated in time-consciousness?
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 8:57 PM, Andy Blunden <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote:
> Larry, do you know of any scientific foundation in ontogeny for the notion
> of "epistemological break"? - emphasis on "break".
> Larry Purss wrote:
>> Here is the article by Jussi attached;
>> Martin, I am intrigued by the notion of time-consciousness implicit in
>> article. The understanding of historical duration as *epochs*, *eras*,
>> *phases*, *periods* as dynamic process.
>> Mike mentions this has become the canonical understanding of vygotsky and
>> the chat school.
>> This way of exploring epistemological barriers [frameworks] and
>> epistemological breaks [openings or gaps] AS epochal processes I find
>> presents fascinating narratives through time.
>> A clear distinction in the article is the two versions of cultural
>> historical theory. In the 1st instrumental version signs ARE psychological
>> TOOLS. Signs and tools are more similar or equivalent. In the early work
>> the unit of analysis was *object-oriented* action mediated by cultural
>> *tools and signs* [instrumental tools and signs that get grasped, used,
>> put down]. Mediation BY social relations and OTHERS was not theoretically
>> integrated in the 1st instrumental mediational triangle.
>> On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 8:57 AM, Martin John Packer <
>>> Hi Larry,
>>> Could you spell out the 3 breaks in a bit more detail, please?
>>> Behind the curve...
>>> On May 30, 2013, at 9:47 AM, Larry Purss <email@example.com> wrote:
>>>> This notion of 3 epistemological breaks, with the shift from signs being
>>>> instrumental tools for *self* mastery to a semiotic mediational model is
>>>> made an explicit distinction in Jussi's work.
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