Re: [xmca] Polls are closed: Manfred Holodynsk's article is choice

[Carol Macdonald <carolmacdon@gmail.com>]

No Martin, not that sentence.  You are gardening pathing.

I am working on a very urgent piece of work and have a migraine so I can't
engage,  Andy can engage but he is +8hours GMT and sleeping.  I don't know
where you are.

Sorry I am not up for debate:  but try changing the subject line.

Carol


On 2 April 2013 18:22, Martin Packer <packer@duq.edu> wrote:

> No one can provide me with the definition of "project"?
>
> Brecht, let me return to the material you copied from your doctoral
> thesis. Let's take the opening sentences:
>
> On Apr 1, 2013, at 2:47 AM, Brecht De Smet <Brechttie.DeSmet@UGent.be>
> wrote:
>
> > "The historical process of capital accumulation and proletarianization
> > on a world scale has created forms of wage labor and exploitation that
> > constructed the modern working class as a passive Object of history.
> > Persons who can freely dispose of their labor power, but who do not
> > possess their own (sufficient) means of production are forced into the
> > activity-system of modern wage labor.[1][1] Their activity of wage labor
> > is born out of necessity, and oriented towards the goal of reproducing
> > their natural and social life.
>
> What we find here is your explication of a "historical process" that has
> constructed (I'd say 'constituted,' but let that pass), a class of persons.
> Not simply a crowd (I recall your previous critique!), but a class, which I
> presume you would agree is not simply an aggregate of individuals. As a
> result, you suggest, the actions of individuals who find themselves to be
> members of that class (I presume they didn't choose to be working class?)
> are constrained - people are "forced" to sell their capabilities in order
> to obtain a wage in order to eat in order to live. Their goal -
> "reproducing their natural and social life" - is not intrinsic to their
> activity - "wage labor" - because, as you say, the goal exists prior to the
> activity, and to a great degree the activity undercuts the goal - for many
> it's hard to eat and live under the conditions of exploited labor.
>
> All of this is, IMHO, a great analysis! You take into account the social
> world in which people act, and how it constrains their activity, you take
> into account the history of this world, you take into account the necessity
> of reproduction. I just don't see that any of this is built on "project" as
> a unit of analysis!
>
> But probably I'm confused...
>
> Martin
>
>
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Carol A  Macdonald Ph D (Edin)
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Honorary Research Fellow: Department of Linguistics, Unisa
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