Re: [xmca] Readung Piaget again...

[Carol Macdonald <carolmacdon@gmail.com>]

Martin

Have you got access to that on our behalf--I say this because Furth is/was
a good exponent of classical Piaget.  (Late Piaget is different and
exceptionally difficult.)

Look forward to it.

Carol

On 14 February 2013 20:20, Martin Packer <packer@duq.edu> wrote:

> There's also this:
>
> Furth, H. G., & Youniss, J. (2000). Reflections on Piaget's sociological
> studies. New Ideas in Psychology, 18(2-3), 121-133.
>
>
> On Feb 14, 2013, at 1:14 PM, Carol Macdonald <carolmacdon@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Mike,
> >
> > Piaget wrote a book called "Six sociological studies" which was only
> > available in French for many years.  I am going to look for information,
> as
> > my copy was stolen.  For him, "sociological' was roughly the same as
> > "social".
> >
> > Will get back to you.
> >
> > Carol
> >
> > On 14 February 2013 19:30, mike cole <lchcmike@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I agree with Armando. Among other things, that document about event
> >> planning provides an interesting
> >> start on analyzing certain generalizable categories relevant to the
> >> division of labor and its dynamics.
> >>
> >> People are responding to my original question about "what is an event"
> in
> >> terms of different discourses
> >> focused on different levels of scale, in the chat sense.
> >>
> >> Sewell and Sahlins are concerned with events at the level of memorable
> and
> >> memorialized history
> >> events in discussion issues of agency and structure at the cultural
> >> historical level.
> >>
> >> Cultural-mediational psychologists and other ontogeny-oriented folks
> look
> >> at socially defined events
> >> of long standing such as birthdays and innaugurations wars, etc. This
> >> branches into the branches that Greg has pointed to in sociology,
> symbolic
> >> interactionisn, cultural studies. And it branched "down" into
> developmental
> >> psychology using notions such as event schemas/scripts..... secondary
> >> artifacts in Wartofskian terms.
> >>
> >> I sure have a pile of reading to do! Serves me right wondering what
> events
> >> have to do with communication.  :-)
> >> mike
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 6:47 AM, Justo, Armando <ArmandoJ@iadb.org>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi Carol,
> >>>
> >>> That is a very interesting question and I personally think that CHAT is
> >>> great for the analysis. These behaviors represent historical accepted
> >> forms
> >>> of activity for these positions that establish the "norms" applicable
> to
> >>> its incumbents. The credentialization movement is grounded in these
> type
> >> of
> >>> approaches.
> >>>
> >>> One possibility could be the analysis of use value and exchange value
> to
> >>> see how individuals use this set of behaviors to develop and to foster
> >>> their employability, and how organizations use the same behaviors to
> >> define
> >>> the rules for the activity. Sawchuk (2003) does a very interesting
> >> analysis
> >>> of this type for the functions of a university professor.
> >>>
> >>> Another performative lens would help incumbents to see these examples
> as
> >>> developmental possibilities "to be both who they are and who they are
> >>> becoming" (Holzman, 2009).
> >>>
> >>> I hope this helps!
> >>>
> >>> Best regards,
> >>>
> >>> Armando
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: Carol Macdonald [mailto:carolmacdon@gmail.com]
> >>> Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 04:55 AM
> >>> To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
> >>> Subject: Re: [xmca] Re: Events: Assistance requested
> >>>
> >>> Armando,
> >>>
> >>> This is obviously a correct and comprehensive account. I do, however,
> >>> wonder how Mike is going to conceptualise that in CHAT!
> >>>
> >>> Carol
> >>>
> >>> On 13 February 2013 21:07, Justo, Armando <ArmandoJ@iadb.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Dear Mike,
> >>>>
> >>>> Years ago I conducted the profiling of technical competencies for one
> >>>> organization that has the position of "event planners". Their job
> >>>> encompassed four key areas: (i) knowledge of norms and regulations,
> >> (ii)
> >>>> events management , (iii) contract services management, and (i) budget
> >>>> management.
> >>>>
> >>>> Below are the responsibilities of this position.  I hope it helps,
> >>>>
> >>>> Best regards,
> >>>>
> >>>> Armando Justo
> >>>>
> >>>> ________
> >>>>
> >>>> Event Planning and Production includes staff who are responsible for
> >> the
> >>>> organization, coordination and execution of various events. Their
> >>>> responsibilities encompass the coordination and supervision of all
> >>>> protocol, ceremonial, and logistic aspects of these events applying
> >>>> appropriate norms and regulations.
> >>>>
> >>>> (i) Norms and Regulations
> >>>> . Defines logistical and physical event requirements, making
> >>>> recommendations based on client needs, cost benefits and protocol
> >>> standards.
> >>>> . Defines event strategies and establishes order of precedence based
> on
> >>>> analysis of agenda, list of attendees and cultural sensitivities.
> >>>> . Guides staff on protocol matters, both written and procedural, and
> >>> guest
> >>>> criteria.
> >>>> . Conducts quality control, evaluating the performance and quality of
> >>>> services provided by vendors and facilities.
> >>>> . Drafts recommendations for implementation of new protocol norms and
> >>>> procedures, based on identification of best market practices.
> >>>> . Provides guidance on application of proper protocol procedures for
> >>>> official events.
> >>>> . Anticipates potential complex and/or high visibility protocol
> issues,
> >>>> using sound judgment to identify and implement corrective solutions.
> >>>>
> >>>> (ii) Events Management
> >>>> . Advises involved players on logistical and protocol concerns and
> >> needs,
> >>>> providing strategic information regarding participant requirements
> >> and/or
> >>>> agenda issues.
> >>>> . Initiates and coordinates corrective measures in response to issues
> >>>> identified regarding the planning and execution of events.
> >>>> . Conducts quality assurance for processing and approval of required
> >>>> documentation, ensuring that requests for all necessary equipment and
> >>>> logistical requirements are complete and accurate.
> >>>> . Defines critical success factors to be considered for execution and
> >>>> evaluation of event management.
> >>>> . Defines criteria for identification of new facilities and resources,
> >>>> guiding staff in assessing factors to be considered, ensuring
> >> compliance
> >>>> with established procedures and maximization of financial resources.
> >>>> . Guides staff, providing information and answering inquiries on best
> >>>> utilization of available resources and/or need for additional
> >> resources.
> >>>>
> >>>> (iii) Contract Services Management
> >>>> . Monitors work performed by consultants and contractors, ensuring
> >>>> satisfactory delivery of services in compliance with contract
> >>>> specifications and schedules, identifying any corrective actions
> >>> necessary.
> >>>> . Develop contractual agreements that maximize protection and value
> for
> >>>> the organization, and meet the business requirements.
> >>>> . Negotiates and/or renegotiates contract terms and conditions,
> >> ensuring
> >>>> best cost value while maintaining quality of service.
> >>>> . Educates external providers on conference or audio-visual norms and
> >>>> guidelines, monitoring their work to ensure successful event
> >> organization
> >>>> and/or services consistent with internal standards and procedures.
> >>>> . Develops work programs and schedules according to upcoming event
> >>>> requirements, and analysis of specific needs, optimizing the use of
> >>>> financial and human resources.
> >>>> . Establishes contract requirements, applying knowledge of market
> >>>> conditions in the selection and hiring of consultants and service
> >>> providers.
> >>>> . In conjunction with the legal department, identifies legal
> >> implications
> >>>> of user or vendor requests, to reduce potential liability to the
> >>>> organization.
> >>>>
> >>>> (iv) Budget Administration
> >>>> . Analyzes and determines needed budget for events maximizing cost
> >>> savings
> >>>> and efficiency.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu [mailto:xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu
> ]
> >>> On
> >>>> Behalf Of "Engeström, Yrjö H M"
> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 1:34 PM
> >>>> To: lchcmike@gmail.com; eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> >>>> Subject: Re: [xmca] Re: Events: Assistance requested
> >>>>
> >>>> MIke, the historian/historical sociologist William H. Sewell, Jr. has
> >>>> built much of his theory of history on the concept of event. See for
> >>>> example:
> >>>>
> >>>> -Sewell, W. H., Jr. (1996). Historical events as transformations of
> >>>> structures: Inventing revolution at the Bastille. Theory and Soecity,
> >>>> 25(6), 841-881.
> >>>>
> >>>> -Sewell, W. H., Jr. (1996). Three temporalities: Toward and eventful
> >>>> sociology. In T. J. McDonald (Ed.), The historic turn in the human
> >>>> sciences. University of Michigan Press.
> >>>>
> >>>> Cheers,
> >>>>
> >>>> Yrjö
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Feb 13, 2013, at 7:26 PM, mike cole wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> This is all very helpful. I recommend that stanford encyclopedia
> >> entry
> >>>>> for a way to think about the span of levels and range of phenomena to
> >>>>> which we apply the term, event.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Note that in Pepper's "world hypotheses" view, "the event" is the
> >> unit
> >>>>> of analysis of contextualism.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> hmmmm
> >>>>> mike
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 8:40 AM, Helena Worthen <
> >>> helenaworthen@gmail.com
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Mike-
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> One form of "event planning," which I assume includes everything
> >> from
> >>>>>> kid's birthday parties to a ride at Disneyland to political
> >>>>>> conventions, is theater production. From the job description point
> >> of
> >>>>>> view, the person listed as "producer" for a play is responsible for
> >>>>>> everything from raising the money, writing the budget, choosing the
> >>>>>> play and publicizing it, hiring the director and other technical
> >>>>>> staff and shaping how it is interpreted by the media and finally
> >>>>>> deciding when it closes and paying off (or apologizing) to the
> >>>>>> investors. As Jim Mackenzie, who was Producer at ACT in San
> >> Francisco
> >>>>>> once said, "Sometimes all you have to do is say 'Let's do it' and
> >>>> sometimes you're sewing on the zippers."
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> When I googled "theater production", however, I saw that theater
> >>>>>> departments who teach production focus on what goes on backstage --
> >>>>>> costumes, wigs, makeup, set design, lighting. That's much narrower
> >>>>>> than what a producer does. No useful book showed up.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Nonetheless, theater might be a good way to talk about event
> >> planning
> >>>>>> because of a key feature of  both: they are both bounded by the
> >>>>>> audience's or the participant's, encounter with them. They require
> >>>>>> taking the audience's perspective from the first awareness
> >>>>>> (pre-publicity) all the way through to the memory of the event.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I found this perspective useful when producing the annual
> >> conferences
> >>>>>> for labor educators, which were very successful and drew increasing
> >>>>>> numbers of participants over the four years I was doing it.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Helena Worthen
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 2/12/13 3:57 PM, "mike cole" <lchcmike@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Ah! Well, I started to send this note to all of you, then decided
> >> to
> >>>>>>> send to daughter, but ended up sending to all of you after all, so
> >>>>>>> here is the problem. Delete if this is an intrusion on your time.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I am teaching a class where students are interest in an activity
> >>>>>>> called "event planning" for which people are sometime paid enough
> >> to
> >>>>>>> make a living. The difficulty is that the students do not appear to
> >>>>>>> have been taught anything they can remember about events and this
> >> is
> >>>>>>> a senior class. So I am doing some digging with them, and now with
> >>>>>>> you.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The dictionary is of limited use:
> >>>>>>> * *
> >>>>>>> *a. * Something that takes place; an occurrence.
> >>>>>>> *b. * A significant occurrence or happening. See Synonyms at
> >>>>>>> occurrence<http://www.thefreedictionary.com/occurrence>
> >>>>>>> .
> >>>>>>> *c. * A social gathering or activity.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> A philosophical dictionary lays out the problem territory in
> >> greater
> >>>>>>> detail: http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/events/#EveVsObj
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> For events of type c, which the students are most concerned with of
> >>>>>>> course, my thought was to turn to the work of Turner, Goffman.....
> >>>>>>> but I cannot use an entire book.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I would appreciate suggestions for sources that would help me and
> >> my
> >>>>>>> students to think about events, especially as they relate to a
> >>>>>>> process called communication.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> mike
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