[Date Prev][Date Next][Thread Prev][Thread Next][Date Index][Thread Index]

Re: [xmca] ISCAR Newsletter?



Strangely enough, Ron, my first contacts with Vygotskyan theory was with academic colleagues at the University of Melbourne, with whom I was interacting in the project of creating collaborative learning spaces. I knew about social constructionism, which I took to be Berger and post-modern critical theory (having only the vaguest knowledge of these things) but then from my colleagues, who were van der Veer and Valsiner types, I was surprised to find out that Vygotsky (whose name I knew from Ilyenkov) was also a constructivist (I have never properly separated the way those two words are used). So I then got a book out of the library on constructivist epistemology which said that there were dozens of varieties of constructivism, but that Vygotsky was a constructivist who took the collaboration of carer-child dyads as the basis for the social construction of knowledge, rather than the wider culture .... took me quite a while to find my bearings in all that mess.
I just think that we always have to allow a lot of latitude in 
understanding what people actually mean when they use a word in a given 
context. A word meaning is not a concept.
Andy

Ron Lubensky wrote:
Hi Andy,

I too thought the ISCAR newsletter interview article was very good. I especially liked your comparison of CHAT to interactionist approaches, which you and I have discussed before. One area that continues to be messy, as you suggest, is the relationship of CHAT to social constructIVism and social constructIONism.
Since CHAT's first home is developmental psychology, it is out of the 
work of Piaget and Papert that these terms are usually defined, and so 
closely that they are often conflated. While these theories 
acknowledge the social and perhaps cultural influences on learning and 
interpretation, they centre on a cognitivist, mental model view of 
knowledge. There is also the normative aspect of giving control to the 
learner to construct his or her individual world-view.
The other social constructIONism comes out of communications and 
sociology (e.g. Berger and Luckmann, The Social Construction of 
Reality, 1966), that challenges the inevitability of categorisations 
that are taken for granted in common discourse, and which form the 
bases for many institutions. This post-modern constructIONism 
generally places knowledge in discourse and interaction, but in more 
recent scholarship focuses on the cultural situation of the 
individual. This isn't a learning theory but rather a critical, 
meta-theoretical stance. To complicate matters, there are different 
strands with various accounts of what should be treated as real, true, 
essential, scientific, etc. and how communication should relate to 
action. It also challenges academic research standards with advocacy 
for interventionist approaches to practice. For an interdisciplinary 
expansion of CHAT, I think this constructIONism offers a rich field 
for comparison.
--
Ron Lubensky
http://www.deliberations.com.au/
0411 412 626
Melbourne Australia
--
------------------------------------------------------------------------
*Andy Blunden*
Home Page: http://home.mira.net/~andy/
Book: http://www.brill.nl/concepts
http://ucsd.academia.edu/AndyBlunden

__________________________________________
_____
xmca mailing list
xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca