Re: [xmca] Understanding is no method but rather a form of communication

[mike cole <lchcmike@gmail.com>]

My question is kind of like Peter's. Why didn't these issues arise when we
had the discussion of the special issue on Action research??

What side were those colleagues on in the Habermas-Gadamer debate?

mike

On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 12:39 PM, Peter Smagorinsky <smago@uga.edu> wrote:

> So, just wondering, if action research is truly a bottom-up activity, why
> go to theorists to justify it?
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> communication
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> Hi Larry,
>
> I think Gadamer made a valuable contribution to the philosophy and theory
> of hermeneutics, and showed the importance of interpretation in all fields.
> But there are, to my thinking, limitations to his analysis that suggest to
> me that one has to turn elsewhere for a basis for action research. Mainly,
> there is no place for systematic *mis*understanding in Gadamer's
> hermeneutics. He presumes a community of like-minded people, united in
> mutual understanding. it would be nice, I suppose, if life were like that,
> but surely it is not. In most places there is 'an Other who *is* an object
> for the subject,' to play with the words you quoted from Gadamer. The
> debates between Gadamer and Habermas in the 1970s centered around the issue
> of whether there is a place for critique in hermeneutics.
>
> Here's one good summary of the debate:
> Mendelson, J. (1979). The Habermas-Gadamer debate. New German Critique,
> 18, 44-73.
>
> Martin
>
> On Jul 17, 2012, at 12:58 PM, Larry Purss wrote:
>
> > I have been reflecting on action research and the turn it took into
> > discussing voice, tone of voice, and the loss or extinguishing of voice
> > when others are marginalized.
> >
> > I came across this statement from Gadamer who wrote the foreword to the
> > book "Introduction to Philosophical Hermeneutics" by Jean Grondin.
> >
> > "So, understanding is no method but rather a form of community among
> those
> > who understand each other. Thus a DIMENSION is OPENED up that is not just
> > one among many FIELDS of inquiry but rather constitutes the PRAXIS OF
> LIFE.
> >
> > Gadamer is exploring the 2nd person voice and putting it play with the
> 1st
> > person and 3rd person voice.
> >
> > I wanted to abstract this dis-position towards the 2nd voice. I want to
> now
> > embed this statement in its context. Gadamer wrote,
> >
> > "But it was only when Dilthey and his school gained influence on the
> > phenomenological movement that understanding was no longer MERELY
> > juxtaposed with conceptualization and explanation."[Gadamer, foreword]
> >
> > In other words, understanding came to be seen as constituting the very
> > fundamental structure of human becoming-in-the-world and moved to the
> very
> > center of philosophy.
> >
> > "Thereby subjectivity and self-consciousness lost their primacy. Now
> there
> > is an Other who is not an object for the subject - but someone to whom we
> > are BOUND in the reciprocations of language and life. So, understanding
> is
> > no method but rather a form of COMMUNITY among those who understand each
> > other. Thus a dimension is opened up that is not just one among many
> fields
> > but rather constitutes the praxis of life." [Gadamer, foreword]
> >
> > Gadamer's tone of voice may have something to contribute to action
> research.
> >
> > Larry
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