Re: [xmca] lave in mca

[Larry Purss <lpscholar2@gmail.com>]

The discussion of research as *craft* and an apprenticeship has been
explored.
I want to turn to the openning of the article where Lave says the relation
of person and world is continually being reconsidered in our research.
I want to take a passage from Karen Barad's book,
http://books.google.ca/books/about/Meeting_the_Universe_Halfway.html?id=4qYorOpfB6EC&redir_esc=y

as a response to how to understand the research process. Karen is
discussing the process of writing a book but I am going to substitute
*research* where she uses *book* to unveil what may be the key to
understanding research.

"There is no single point in time that marks the beginning of this
*research* nor is there an "I" who saw the project through from beginning
to end, nor is *research* a process that any individual "I's" can claim
credit for. In an important sense, it is not so much that I have written
this *research*, as that it has written me.  Or rather, "we" have
"INTRA-actively written each other ("intra-actively rather than the usual
"inter-actively" since *research* is not a unidirectional practice of
creation that flows from author to *methods*, but rather the practice of
*research* is an iterative and mutually constitutive working out and
reworking of *research* and *author*)  Which is not to deny my own AGENCY
(as it were) but to CALL INTO QUESTION the nature of agency (and its
presumed localization WITHIN individuals (whether human or nonhuman).
Furthermore, entanglements are not isolated binary co-productions as the
example of an author-*research* pair might suggest.  Friends, colleagues,
students, and family members, multiple academic institutions, departments,
and disciplines, the forests, streams, and beaches of the eastern and
western coasts, the awesome peace and clarity of early morning hours, and
much more were a part of what helped constitute this *research* and its
*author*.

I hope this poetic licence [linking research to writing] gives a flavour of
how I read the QUESTIONs Jean Lave is proposing.  Her conversation was
directed at a particular audience of *researchers* and she is challenging
th binary formal/informal. I hope Karen Barad's answer [vented through my
response] contributes to a generative CON-versation, or dialogue.

Larry





On Sun, Jul 8, 2012 at 8:43 AM, mike cole <lchcmike@gmail.com> wrote:

> I am attaching a pdf of an article by Ole Dreier which provides a kind of
> precis of his book that Jean refers to.  The links to
> the references to Gibson in her article in part draw upon Ingold, but Ole D
> has book out on objects with Allan Costall that
> make those links even clearer.
>
> I am seeking help on finding English language work by Gomes that Jean sites
> with approval; its from a book in Portuguese which makes it a little
> inaccessible to most of us.
>
> And for those of us who wonder what all of this has to do with CHAT,
> consider the non-coincidence that Alexander Zaporozhets,
> mentor to VP Zinchenko and part of the circle that included LSV, Luria, and
> Leontiev, interacted considerably with the Gibsons.
>
> 6 degrees of separation?
>
> mike
>
> On Sun, Jul 8, 2012 at 7:40 AM, Forman, Ellice A <ellice@pitt.edu> wrote:
>
> > I agree with Mike. After reading Lave's article in MCA, I realized that I
> > needed to read her new book to understand her position better. Lave, J.
> > (2011). Apprenticeship in critical ethnographic practice. Chicago:
> > University of Chicago Press. I'm just getting started reading it but I'm
> > glad her article led me to it. She makes it clear that critical
> > ethnographic practice does not pit writing against activism, as Mike
> claims
> > here. Here's one early salient quote:
> >
> > "Critical ethnography certainly is engaged in social criticsm and an
> > integral concern for social justice . . . But critical ethnography has
> > other entailments and layers of meaning as well. It involves a
> relational,
> > historical worldview and metaphysics that question a number of
> commonsense
> > understandings. It envisions ethnographic research as a long struggle to
> > illuminate social life, challenge commonplace theories and their
> political
> > implications, and change theoretical practice in the process. This book
> > pursues a more ample consideration of what we mean by critical
> ethnographic
> > practice." (p. 10)
> >
> > Right now I'm in the midst of exploring how Lave's early research on
> > tailoring in Liberia led her to pursue these broader and deeper
> > investigations of her own apprenticeship in critical ethnographic
> practice.
> >
> > ________________________________________
> > From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu [xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu] On
> Behalf
> > Of mike cole [lchcmike@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2012 12:54 PM
> > To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> > Cc: Jean Lave
> > Subject: Re: [xmca] lave in mca
> >
> > Lave: Changing Practices
> >
> >
> >
> > I think it would be a pity if xmca-ites settled for Peter’s
> > characterization of Jean Lave’s article as a call to activism, and as
> > pitting writing against activism. I did not interpret Jean’s comments as
> a
> > call to march in anti-war-de-jour activities, or join an occupy protest
> to
> > slow down corporate greed.
> >
> >
> >
> > Peter commented, in part:
> >
> >  *Scribner took it to the streets, marching in the marches and such, and
> > bully for her. I've got to weigh things differently, I suspect. If I go
> > protest la guerre-du-jour, holding my sign at the campus gates, is this a
> > cost-effective action? Or is getting my writing done more important,
> > especially the public pieces that are read widely, if not terribly
> > influentially, at least in terms of current policies? (but then, standing
> > at the campus gates with a sign protesting wars or monied interests
> > probably has limited payoff as well.) And in my very conservative area,
> I'd
> > no doubt pay an additional cost, such as the outcry against my activism
> for
> > causes that go against the grain of popular opinion.*
> >
> >
> >
> > Firstly, the general silence she identified (correctly or not, people who
> > were there should comment, but it rings true enough to me) was the
> absence
> > of  “historical specificity and political analysis.”  She then linked her
> > ideas to those of Gramsci in the following way:
> >
> >
> >
> > *Gramsci’s political account of learning and education (and everything
> > else) grew out of*
> >
> > *his analysis of the “absolute historicism” of philosophy of praxis. He
> > pointed to the central engagement of state and private institutions of
> > education in inculcating and defending dominant hegemonic relations of
> > consent. That is not all that is going on in our complex contradictory
> > world, of course. But because virtually all ISCAR participants do the
> work
> > of these institutions, we also need to carry out the political analysis
> > that our positions call for.*
> >
> > * *
> >
> > None of Jean’s examples of the kind of changes in practice that she
> > advocates focused on marching in the streets or challenging the guerre
> (S!)
> > du jour. They did, however, focus on a number of examples (Drier, Ingold,
> > Gomes, Holland, and her own) all of which involve the scholar, as
> scholar,
> > engaging in critical analyses of current research practices within the
> > professions of which they are a part.
> >
> >
> >
> > Overall, the message that I took from the talk/essay was that those who
> > adopt what locally we refer to as a CHAT perspective have commitments to
> > grounding theory in practices that are supposed to put our theories to
> the
> > test. Her recommendation that we worry about educating the educators,
> whose
> > practice is education, seems to me completely uncontroversial. Her
> positive
> > cases seem uncontroversial as recognizable lines of scholarly research
> some
> > of which has been discussed in this forum (we should “take  seriously the
> > understanding of research as craft, and of both learning and changing
> > identity as aspects of craftsmanship" for example).
> >
> >
> >
> > I do not know nearly enough about most of the examples that Jean holds up
> > as potential models to follow. It seems that remedying my ignorance about
> > those examples would be a productive place to start. For sure, the
> serious
> > problems facing all forms of education, but in the case of most of us,
> > institutionally, the problems facing higher education, are acute and
> > getting worse very rapidly. Jean’s summary of that situation seems to
> line
> > up with my own knowledge of events, but perhaps that is because we are
> both
> > present for the dismantling of what was once a great public university.
> > Much less clear are lines of theory/practice research that would/could
> make
> > a difference.
> >
> >
> > Anyway, there is a serious call here for a fundamental, critical,
> > theory/practice orientation to our work. Answering this call IS a
> political
> > as well as an academic act. It may also be a warning that the privileged
> > lifeworlds of academics that those of us over 30 years of age have
> > experienced may be in danger of disappearing faster than the ozone layer.
> >
> > mike
> >
> > (Ps- sorry for the funny font gyrations. Cut and pasted from a word doc.)
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 6:00 AM, Peter Smagorinsky <smago@uga.edu> wrote:
> >
> > > I'm going to assume my unappointed role as discussion-launcher for the
> > > Lave article in MCA that was voted as the feature discussion article on
> > > xmca. I may not be able to stick around for long, as we're going on
> > > vacation Saturday in hopes that somewhere on this earth we can find a
> > place
> > > that's not as hot as Georgia, USA.
> > >
> > > Lave's paper is based on her plenary closing talk at ISCAR in Rome, an
> > > even I did not attend. As an aside, as long as it's held in
> > mid-September,
> > > shortly after our fall academic semester begins, I and others like me
> > > probably won't attend. It's just too ill-timed to miss 1-2 weeks of
> > > classes, depending on location, right after getting the semester off
> the
> > > ground.
> > >
> > > Lave references several ISCAR talks she found compelling, so it's nice
> > for
> > > us non-attenders to get a sense of what she found valuable in Rome.
> > >
> > > If there's an overriding theme to her paper, it might be that
> > > cultural-historical researchers ought to be more involved in social
> > > activism. I was struck while reading the paper by how she could easily
> > have
> > > used Silvia Scribner as her role model for the talk, even though SS
> goes
> > > unmentioned. A month or so when I wrote to the list about my reading of
> > her
> > > collected papers, I noted that her activism on the labor front probably
> > cut
> > > into her writing time, although perhaps her career was conducted before
> > > electronic media made expectations for writing much greater-there were
> > > fewer journals and fewer book publishers, and writing itself was much
> > more
> > > laborious (a point related to the recent discussion of writing) in that
> > it
> > > was often undertaken by pen, then retyped, and ultimately less amenable
> > to
> > > revision than it is these days.
> > >
> > > She urges social activism, although the paper is general enough to
> allow
> > > for individuals to take that appeal up in their own ways. Academics
> are,
> > to
> > > some, "above" ideology, and so should avoid the fray; yet most of us
> here
> > > would agree with her point that all thinking is ideological, and so
> being
> > > an activist on important social issues is a natural extension of our
> > work.
> > > If we are all ideological in our thinking, research, and writing, and
> if
> > > social issues are shaped by ideology, should we not then contribute to
> > the
> > > shape of  social issues through what we know via scholarship? (and
> how's
> > > that for a Western logical syllogism.)
> > >
> > > Scribner took it to the streets, marching in the marches and such, and
> > > bully for her. I've got to weigh things differently, I suspect. If I go
> > > protest la guerre-du-jour, holding my sign at the campus gates, is
> this a
> > > cost-effective action? Or is getting my writing done more important,
> > > especially the public pieces that are read widely, if not terribly
> > > influentially, at least in terms of current policies? (but then,
> standing
> > > at the campus gates with a sign protesting wars or monied interests
> > > probably has limited payoff as well.) And in my very conservative area,
> > I'd
> > > no doubt pay an additional cost, such as the outcry against my activism
> > for
> > > causes that go against the grain of popular opinion.
> > >
> > > I hope these concerns are not too concrete for Lave's fairly abstract
> > > call-to-peaceful-arms about social activism. For those of us in fairly
> > > conventional academic positions (Lave's seems to allow for much more
> > travel
> > > than mine), activism has to be balanced against other considerations
> and
> > > demands on our time and local reputations. At this point, I'm more
> > > persuaded by the general thrust of her views than of possibilities for
> > > real-world activism whose consequences are greater than I can produce
> > > through my writing.
> > >
> > > OK, there you go, your turn.
> > >
> > >
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