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Re: [xmca] Taking culture into account/Doing harm?



Not at all, Alex. They clearly suffered from some misconceptions in this area. My problems are to do with the idea that this limitation is necessarily shared by anyone who uses their ideas, i.e., to be a Vygotskyist you have to be some kind of cultural imperialist. And that it is impossible to meaningfully relate to someone with a dualistic view of nature if you have yourself a materialist theory of knowledge such as Activity Theory, or for that matter some variety of Deconstructionism. That you have to be a horse in order to judge a horse, or more precisely, that you can't be just this kind of not-horse in order to teach horses. I also question the idea of making Vygotsky to blame for the entire fabric of modern society which confronts an indigenous person ... which obviously, put this way, no-one does.

I am asking people to disassemble these totalities, as Scribner advises on p. 132, citing Vygotsky.

Andy

Nektarios Alexi wrote:
Hello Andy,
If i understood well, your position is that it is a kind of misunderstanding from some or many scholars that Vygotsky and Luria were thinking of indigenous people as psychologically primitive? Nektarios
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*Subject:* Re: [xmca] Taking culture into account/Doing harm?

Marx speculated that Russia could bypass capitalism and go direct to
socialism via the pesant communes. And this material was published in
Vygotsky's days.

Andy

Martin Packer wrote:
> ... Marx, towards the end of his life, was keeping 'ethnographic notebooks' that contained his reflections on reading ethnographies of indigenous peoples, including those in the US at the time. He seemed to be considering the possibility that there is *not* a single trajectory to history; that various routes are possible, and that some indigenous groups had established a (largely) socialist kind of organization without any of the infrastructure that standard Marxist theory insists is necessary.
>
> I do think (and I have argued in print) that LSV took from Marx and Hegel a specific view of history that led him into difficulties in seeing that indigenous people are not psychologically primitive.


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