OK, here's one more that builds on Cohen and does some historicizing about the entrenched nature of school practices, also using Mike's 2005 article in Human Development and the Sumerian classroom he depicts, along with pieces from some of my own studies. p -----Original Message----- From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu [mailto:xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu] On Behalf Of mike cole Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 10:59 AM To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity Subject: Re: [xmca] Smolucha - pronunciation/genealogy (Systems of functions & Aristotelian concepts) That article Peter sent by David Cohen pushes on history in helpful ways, Collete-- thanks Peter. But my guess is that Cohen himself does not track things back far enough, nor do I think that that restricting the question to the history of the US or Europe is sufficient. Its a puzzle. I think this also relates back to interest in creativity in recent discussions. How DOES the new arise from a system that seeks perfect replication? Only by deviation/error which turns out to have a future, chosen by a blind watchmaker? Or does cultural-history introduce a new ingredient that promotes variation and culturally-inflected selection? mike On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 7:46 AM, Colette Murphy <c.a.murphy@qub.ac.uk>wrote: > Wow Peter - the article uses the same observation! I look forward to > reading it too - thanks! > Colette > > Dr Colette Murphy > Senior Lecturer > School of Education > 69 University St > Queen's University > Belfast BT7 1HL > > tel: 02890975953 > > "Why is it, in spite of the fact that teaching by pouring in, learning > by passive absorption, are universally condemned, that they are still > so entrenched in practice?" > > John Dewey Democracy in Education 1916, Page 46 > ________________________________________ > From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu [xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu] On > Behalf Of Peter Smagorinsky [smago@uga.edu] > Sent: 22 June 2012 13:59 > To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity > Subject: RE: [xmca] Smolucha - pronunciation/genealogy (Systems of > functions & Aristotelian concepts) > > Mike et al., the attached article has helped me with Dewey's question. > It's not a cultural-historical theory in the Vygotskian sense, but > situates teaching practice culturally and historically nonetheless. p > > -----Original Message----- > From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu [mailto:xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu] > On Behalf Of mike Cole > Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 8:52 AM > To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity > Cc: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity > Subject: Re: [xmca] Smolucha - pronunciation/genealogy (Systems of > functions & Aristotelian concepts) > > What is the answer to Dewey's question, Colette? That very question > has been on my mind for Zoe time. > Mike > > On Jun 22, 2012, at 5:21 AM, Colette Murphy <c.a.murphy@qub.ac.uk> wrote: > > > Thanks to Martin, Anton and everyone else involved in this > > discussion - > it helps enormously with issues realting to 'higher psychological > functions'! > > Colette > > > > > > Dr Colette Murphy > > Senior Lecturer > > School of Education > > 69 University St > > Queen's University > > Belfast BT7 1HL > > > > tel: 02890975953 > > > > "Why is it, in spite of the fact that teaching by pouring in, > > learning > by passive absorption, are universally condemned, that they are still > so entrenched in practice?" > > > > John Dewey Democracy in Education 1916, Page 46 > > ________________________________________ > > From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu [xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu] On > > Behalf Of Martin Packer [packer@duq.edu] > > Sent: 22 June 2012 13:18 > > To: Anton Yasnitsky; eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity > > Subject: Re: [xmca] Smolucha - pronunciation/genealogy (Systems of > > functions & Aristotelian concepts) > > > > Here is the text that Anton and Michael have been referring to. > > > > Martin > > > > > > On Jun 21, 2012, at 10:09 PM, Anton Yasnitsky wrote: > > > >> Andy, > >> > >> > >> I regard mediation etc.pretty vague and, therefore, virtually > >> meaningless. Also I regard the whole research program of Vygotsky > Circle of their instrumental period of 1920s mechanistic indeed, and > this conclusion I borrow primarily from Vygotsky's own texts in which > he severely criticized their own ideas of that period. > >> > >> > >> Finally, yes, I do find the sharp separation of all psychological > >> functions (whatever this means) into either the higher or the lower > >> binary, rigid, valuative, and pretty much Aristotelian, > >> > >> in Lewin's terminology. Under Lewin's strong influence Vygotsky > >> realized the flaw in his conceptual system and made a serious > >> effort at making the transition from > >> > >> Aristotelian to Galileian in his own thinking, but, quite > unfortunately, by the time this transition in many respects was made, > he did not have too much time to live: > >> > >> a couple of years, not more. Which is a pity, indeed. > >> > >> > >> AY > >> > >> > >> > >> ________________________________ > >> From: Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net> > >> To: Anton Yasnitsky <the_yasya@yahoo.com>; "eXtended Mind, Culture, > >> Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu> > >> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 10:58:37 PM > >> Subject: Re: [xmca] Smolucha - pronunciation/genealogy (Systems of > >> functions) > >> > >> So Anton, you regard mediation of psychlogical functions by > >> cultural > artefacts as "mechanistic" and "binary"? > >> Andy > >> > >> Anton Yasnitsky wrote: > >>> Martin, > >>> > >>> Right, this is exactly my point: much criticized for fairly > mechanistic distinction between the lower and the higher in his > earlier work of 1920s, Vygotsky rejected this binary opposition in his > later writings of the 1930, although he kept using phrases "higher functions" > or, rather, "higher processes" and the like. > >> __________________________________________ > >> _____ > >> xmca mailing list > >> xmca@weber.ucsd.edu > >> http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca > > > > __________________________________________ > > _____ > > xmca mailing list > > xmca@weber.ucsd.edu > > http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca > > __________________________________________ > > _____ > > xmca mailing list > > xmca@weber.ucsd.edu > > http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca > __________________________________________ > _____ > xmca mailing list > xmca@weber.ucsd.edu > http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca > > __________________________________________ > _____ > xmca mailing list > xmca@weber.ucsd.edu > http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca > __________________________________________ _____ xmca mailing list xmca@weber.ucsd.edu http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca
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