Re: [xmca] Measuring culture

[Robert Lake <boblake@georgiasouthern.edu>]

Hi Larry,
I am intrigued with the passage from  Owen Barfield.

Which book is that found in?

RL


On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 1:53 AM, Larry Purss <lpscholar2@gmail.com> wrote:

> Andy,  thanks for this post which I find exploring experience and culture.
> These insights of Dewey's seems to parallel  themes I've been reading in
> Gadamer's perspective on prejudice .
>
> especially the section,
>
> It [experience] is filled with interpretations, classifications, due to
> sophisticated thought,
>  which have become incorporated into what seems to be fresh, naive
>  empirical material. It would take more wisdom than is possessed by
>  the wisest historic scholar to track all of these absorbed
>  borrowings to their original sources. If we may for the moment call
>  these materials prejudices (even if they are true, as long as their
>  source and authority is unknown), then /philosophy is a critique of
>  prejudices/.
>
>
> I would like to juxtapose, or put in play, these insights of Dewey's with a
> quote from Owen Barfield,
>
> More particularly, it (i.e. pleasure) can be aroused by a language which is
> at an earlier stage of development than the one which is our own, because
> it is the nature of language to grow less figurative, less and less couched
> in terms of imagery, as it grows older.  We notice, we relish figurative
> quality in older language, and we EXPERIENCE this figurative element in the
> same way in which we experience those new metaphors which poets make for
> us. But it does not follow from this (and this is where most of the
> philologists of the 19th Century and the early twenties have really made
> their mistake) it does not follow from this that that figurative element,
> that presence of living memory, that we find in earlier language was made,
> invented, created by the individual genius of a poet.  On the contrary, it
> couldn't have been.  It was simply there in the language as such; it was a
> 'given' kind of meaning, a 'given' kind of imagery.
>
> I also want to bring in Emily's comment posted today,
>
>  I just wanted to call attention to play as in the way play ' plays ' us...
> Gadamer talks about this in Truth and Method, noting that  when we engage
> in in play, play can overtake and seem to become something more that the
> participants.
>
> As I read Dewey's, Barfield's, and Gadamer's notions of experience I see a
> theme of experience and expression as playful.
>
> Larry
>
>
>
> More parti
> On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 9:37 PM, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net> wrote:
>
> > Wagner, your post sent me into my book of the writings of John Dewey,
> > where I became happily lost for half an hour. I couldn't find the maxim I
> > was looking for, but this one will do:
> >
> >   "Experience is already overlaid and saturated with the products of
> >   the reflection  of past generations and by-gone ages. It is filled
> >   with interpretations, classifications, due to sophisticated thought,
> >   which have become incorporated into what seems to be fresh, naive
> >   empirical material. It would take more wisdom than is possessed by
> >   the wisest historic scholar to track all of these absorbed
> >   borrowings to their original sources. If we may for the moment call
> >   these materials prejudices (even if they are true, as long as their
> >   source and authority is unknown), then /philosophy is a critique of
> >   prejudices/. These incorporated results of past reflection, welded
> >   into the genuine materials of first-hand experience, may become the
> >   organss of enrichment if they are detected and reflected upon. If
> >   they are not detected, they often obfuscate and distort.
> >   Clarification and emancipation follow when they are detected and
> >   cast out; and one great object of philosophy is to accomplish this
> >   task." (PJD 276)
> >
> > The quote I was looking for and couldn't find made an allusion to Hegel's
> > famous aphorism:
> >
> >   "As for the individual, every one is a son of his time; so
> >   philosophy also is its time apprehended in thoughts. It is just as
> >   foolish to fancy that any philosophy can transcend its present
> >   world, as that an individual could leap out of his time or jump over
> >   Rhodes." (Pref. Phil Rt.)
> >
> > and went on to say that while no philosophy worthy of the name can simply
> > reflect the prejudices of its own times, it is given by its own times the
> > prejudices against which it must protest. Those who are blindly swept
> along
> > by the fashions of the times are quite incapable of doing this and are
> not
> > worthy of the name of philosophy or science.
> >
> > Andy
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Wagner Luiz Schmit wrote:
> >
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> I don't know if you already saw this... I am still thinking about it and
> >> what to say about it...
> >>
> >> http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/**pt-br/what_we_learned_from_5_**
> >> million_books.html<
> http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/pt-br/what_we_learned_from_5_million_books.html
> >
> >>
> >> A new tool or a new way to reduce human to numbers? In some places i
> >> already see scientists from fields like neuroscience, evolutionary
> >> psychology and etc pointing to me and saying "Marx? Vygotsky? Gosh you
> are
> >> obsolete and should be in a Museum". And they have funding...
> >>
> >> Just trowing toughs...
> >>
> >> Wagner Luiz Schmit
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