Re: [xmca] Special issue on Vygotsky's legacy: groundbreaking discoveries in PsyAnima, Dubna Psychological Journal!

[mike cole <lchcmike@gmail.com>]

How about sending around a manuscript of your article, Anton? So that the
ideas get wide dissemination and discussion.

mike

On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 7:41 PM, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net> wrote:

> OK, so let me summarise, Anton.
> (1) You say that the central place of mediation by symbols and tools in
> the development of human consciousness is something introduced by some
> anonymous uncredited writer.
> (2) I am well aware of the notions of unit of analysis, situation and
> Gestalt used by the Gestaltists you mention and I find them quite inferior
> to the notions I have learnt from who I thought was Vygotsky, so I have
> another anonymous uncredited writer to thank for this.
> (3) If you are saying that Vygotsky did not read German philosophy till
> near the end of his life if at all, I am inclined to agree. Whoever it was
> that I have been reading seem to have brilliantly extracted these insights
> from reading Marx and discussions with 20th century writers.
>
> Andy
> Anton Yasnitsky wrote:
>
>> Let's put somewhat aside the question if anybody can actually *discover*
>> an *idea* or a *concept*: I tend to think that we rather *construct* and
>> *introduce* them, like any other neologisms. Anyway, this is just a remark
>> aside, let's get straight to the matter.
>>
>> I need to think if Vygotsky in fact ever said anything on "mediated
>> action" (if anybody is aware of specific locus in any Vygotsky's text where
>> he actually says "mediated action" I would greatly appreciate the reference
>> to the source).
>> As to the other two, I am inclined to look towards the Gestaltists,
>> primarily Kurt Koffka along with such peripheral participants and
>> fellow-tavellers of Gestaltpsychologie movement as Kurt Lewin and Kurt
>> Goldstein as the guys who approximately one hundred seventeen times better
>> and way earlier expressed pretty much the same ideas, but in slightly
>> different terms than Vygotsky vaguely did with his "unit of analysis" and
>> "social situation of development". I am not sure,  but I guess I briefly
>> suggested this here:
>>
>> Yasnitsky, A. (2011). Lev Vygotsky: Philologist and Defectologist, A
>> Socio-intellectual Biography. In Pickren, W., Dewsbury, D., & Wertheimer,
>> M. (Eds.). Portraits of Pioneers in Developmental Psychology, (Vol. 7, pp.
>> 109-134).
>>
>> Vygotsky, in turn, only started learning from the great Germans
>> (Americans, Jews, etc.) when he died.
>> Unfortunately, though, I am not so sure that these ideas have in fact
>> revolutionized psychology, at least so as long as mainstream (i.e.,
>> empirical, North American, ahistorical, non-cumulative, reductionist, etc.)
>> psychology is concerned.
>>
>> Anton
>>
>> ------------------------------**------------------------------**
>> ------------
>> *From:* Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net>
>> *To:* Anton Yasnitsky <the_yasya@yahoo.com>; "eXtended Mind, Culture,
>> Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 22, 2012 8:43:14 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [xmca] Special issue on Vygotsky's legacy: groudbreaking
>> discoveries in PsyAnima, Dubna Psychological Journal!
>>
>> So Anton, to whom should we be attributing ideas like "unit of
>> analysis", "social situation of development", "mediated action" which
>> have revolutionised psychology, and we have been thinking were
>> discoveries of Vygotsky? Is there someone else who should be credited?
>>
>> Andy
>>
>> Anton Yasnitsky wrote:
>> > Indeed, thanks a lot to all those researchers, editors, translators,
>> and other volunteers and enthusiasts who made this -- and will make several
>> forthcoming  -- journal issues possible!!
>> >
>> >
>> > As to Vygotsky's archives, well, it is a little bit different. For
>> instance, as one paper argues, on the contrary, archival materials of one
>> of arguably Vygotsky's works were NOT preserved, and the Russian text of
>> the work was blatantly retranslated (or just translated) into Russian from
>> English (this was a much later copy that actually WAS preserved, or, for
>> that matter, was NOT preserved either, but was "reconstructed" some time in
>> the 1950s or 1960s).
>> >
>> >
>> > Yet again, as we know, the manuscript of yet another work, commonly
>> believed to be a central work of Vygotsky, was NOT preserved either. The
>> same holds for yet another allegedly most important Vygotsky's book.
>> >
>> >
>> > So, in sum, I would not be that thankful to those who have been in
>> charge of keeping Vygotsky's archival stuff  alive and, for that matter,
>> accessible.
>> >
>> >
>> > Anton
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ______________________________**__
>> >  From: mike cole <lchcmike@gmail.com <mailto:lchcmike@gmail.com>>
>> > To: Anton Yasnitsky <the_yasya@yahoo.com <mailto:the_yasya@yahoo.com>>;
>> "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu <mailto:
>> xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>>
>> > Cc: Alexey Kuznetsov <alexey.math@gmail.com <mailto:
>> alexey.math@gmail.com>**>; Ющенкова Дарья Викторовна <
>> dashulya-psy@mail.ru <mailto:dashulya-psy@mail.ru>>**; Anton Yasnitsky <
>> anton.yasnitsky@gmail.com <mailto:anton.yasnitsky@gmail.**com<anton.yasnitsky@gmail.com>>>;
>> Мещеряков Борис Гурьевич <borlogic@yahoo.com <mailto:borlogic@yahoo.com>>
>> > Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 11:04:02 AM
>> > Subject: Re: [xmca] Special issue on Vygotsky's legacy: groudbreaking
>> discoveries in PsyAnima, Dubna Psychological Journal!
>> > >
>> > Thanks to all who carried out this work. Thanks also to those who kept
>> the archival materials alive.
>> > mike
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > 2012/3/21 Anton Yasnitsky <the_yasya@yahoo.com <mailto:
>> the_yasya@yahoo.com>>
>> >
>> > A special issue of PsyAnima, Dubna Psychological issue has been
>> released lately. This thematic multilingual issue combined a few studies on
>> textology, chronology and historical development of  Vygotsky's works.
>> Several highlights include:
>> > >> - first ever rigorous historical reconstruction of the list of
>> Vygotsky's major works and the chronology of their composition
>> >>
>> >> - the sensational finding: Vygotsky never wrote the "History of
>> development of higher mental (psychological) functions" and "Tool and
>> symbol (sign)" the way we know these texts in Russian now
>> >>
>> >> - a discussion of Vygotsky's " Tool and Sign" (alias "Tool and Sign"),
>> i.e. the first half of what we all know as "Mind and Society" (1978,
>> chapters 1-4): was Russian text translated from the English one, or the
>> English text translated from Russian one, or both?
>> >>
>> >> - numerous fakes and falsifications in Vygotsky's various published
>> works & the problem of reliability: is it the Vygotsky that we know or
>> rather -- the Vygotsky that we DO NOT know?
>> >>
>> >> - full list of editorial interventions in the three editions of
>> Vygotsky's "Thinking and speech" of 1934, 1956, & 1982
>> >>
>> >> - a historical, first ever republication of early Vygotsky's articles
>> on art, theatre and literature of 1922: the unknown Vygotsky of his Gomel'
>> period (1917-1924)
>> >>
>> >> All these and some other materials, in Russian, English, Portuguese,
>> and French are available FREE, 24/7 online @ http://www.psyanima.ru/**
>> journal/2011/4/index.php<http://www.psyanima.ru/journal/2011/4/index.php>
>> >>
>> >> The editorial team are presently considering publishing a follow-up
>> issue of the journal that would build on these studies, so any
>> >> queries, comments, suggestions, and even paper proposals (in virtually
>> any language and of virtually any length) will be greatly appreciated!
>> >> ______________________________**____________
>> >> _____
>> >> xmca mailing list
>> >> xmca@weber.ucsd.edu <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
>> >> http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/**listinfo/xmca<http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca>
>> >>
>> >>   > ______________________________**____________
>> > _____
>> > xmca mailing list
>> > xmca@weber.ucsd.edu <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
>> > http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/**listinfo/xmca<http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> --
>> ------------------------------**------------------------------**
>> ------------
>> *Andy Blunden*
>> Joint Editor MCA: http://www.tandfonline.com/**toc/hmca20/18/1<http://www.tandfonline.com/toc/hmca20/18/1>
>> Home Page: http://home.mira.net/~andy/ <http://home.mira.net/%7Eandy/**>
>> Book: http://www.amazon.com/gp/**product/1608461459/<http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1608461459/>
>>
>>
>>
>>
> --
> ------------------------------**------------------------------**
> ------------
> *Andy Blunden*
> Joint Editor MCA: http://www.tandfonline.com/**toc/hmca20/18/1<http://www.tandfonline.com/toc/hmca20/18/1>
> Home Page: http://home.mira.net/~andy/
> Book: http://www.amazon.com/gp/**product/1608461459/<http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1608461459/>
>
> ______________________________**____________
> _____
> xmca mailing list
> xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
> http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/**listinfo/xmca<http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca>
>
__________________________________________
_____
xmca mailing list
xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca