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Re: [xmca] Korean Education

China has the goal to create 2 of the "best" universities in the world.
They are going to America's and Great Britain's "top" universities to study
their "Liberal art" disciplines [not engineering or science] They recognize
it is the liberal arts not the classical sciences that "generate" great
learning spaces
I wonder if Al Andalus and its libraries emphasized "sciences or liberal


On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 4:34 AM, Michael Glassman <MGlassman@ehe.osu.edu>wrote:

> Hi Carol,
> I have some Korean students and sometimes we talk about. the educational
> system  There seems to be at least some type of battle raging in Korean
> education circles over all of this.  The trouble with what is happening is
> that the system is producing cookie cutter students and there is little
> emphasis, or even a fear of creativity.  I think Korea just dramatically
> changed its cthat ollege entrance exame format because of this  so that it
> is based less on a standardized test model and much more on written essays.
>  Also I believe it used to be that you could only apply to one or two
> colleges so that application process was very high stakes and nerve wracking
> - but now you can apply to multiple colleges.  I have heard the same thing
> in China discussing the education process, they are worried the system is
> teaching students how to take tests and not to think.
> We here in the United States seem to be moving in the oppositie directions
> (except of course at very expensive private schools).  We are working more
> and more to take creativity and independent thinking out of the education
> process, especially for those from lower socio-economic backgrounds.  You
> are right I think, KIPP is an attempt to institute the type of intensely
> focused education that some in Asian countries are trying to escape,
> complete with the emphasis on long hours of rote learning.  There have been
> limited studies of KIPP even on success in this, usually at only one or two
> KIPP schools - chosen by KIPP.  I have no idea why there haven't been more
> comprehensive studies.  But even the studies that are done are not
> longitudinal - meaning we don't know if there is a lasting effect on
> learning based self-efficacies (why are there no studied measuring
> self-efficacy when that is what KIPP is claiming it accomplishes?).  The
> program seems to work for a certain type of student for a particular amount
> of time, but as the Korean example suggests, what are we losing?
> Michael
> ________________________________
> From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu on behalf of Carol Macdonald
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> To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> Subject: [xmca] Korean Education
> Did anyone see the article in the Time magazine about the Korean
> school  educational obsession with studying, and the "learning police" who
> have to check that night schools don't go over 10:00p.m? And students sleep
> in class during the day.  Compare that with the *equally high
> performance*of Finnish children who have 5 hours of school, one hour
> of homework, and
> only 13% having remedial lessons.
> What does that tell us about the optimum conditions for school learning?
> (National obsessions aside.)
> Carol
> PS The KIPP schools approximate the Korean model--what there?
> --
> Children have to be educated, but they have also to be left to educate
> themselves.
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