second thought, - last phenomenological reflection.As I said before, the two symposiums about subjective sense, Rey, Portes, Kozulin, Hedegaard and Jansen were my personal hightlights, and made me read more about their ideas and thoughts, opening, as it seems for me, a new door to "perezhivanie", and for me, a road to Lewin, but perhaps, to self-psychology, too?
The last days of the conference went on, for me, with re-meeting Elena Kravtsova, as key-speaker where she talked about "non-classical psychology" as the concept, Vygotsky tried to change our subject into. As I said to some people in the audience, -perhaps not a speech which told us revolutionary new things we didn't know beforehand. On the other hand one of the few speeches at this conference, which my students back in Denmark would understand, and find useful. At the end she invited to the ISCAR summer school, happening summer 2012, see ISCAR homepage about that. There it will be possible to learn more about "Golden Key School", the schools Elena and her husband Kravtsov, G., are in charge of.
...My experience about the role of the discussant was triggered the last two days.
A wonderful experience was to hear Jan Valsiner as discussant at symposium 459, where three young researchers talk about "developmental trajectories in the transition to work", where Jan with few words established,*that all in the room where able to remember, and even see more clear, what the three wanted to present and maybe discus*. - He made the three even better, and made us in the room able to have a fine dialogue, in the few minutes, there are at a conference like this.
Another experience I had the next day was near the opposite. Three fine presentation about XXX, an audience who wants to ask questions, and have dialogue with the presenteres. But there the discussant understood his task in a quiet different way, - using the time for starting the dialogue for talk about his own research, his own doubts about the topic. A behavior like this has the effect on me, *that it slowly "deletes" the memory *about the three presentations, I just heard, - therefore I had to leave the room, while saying angry to this discussant, that he actually should shut up. - Not exactly a way to behave, but some discussant seem to behave, as if they think they are the most important V. I.P. in the room, forgetting to support the other presenters and to create dialog.
The last morning, Jean Lave kindly remembering ISCAR to be more open, more political, more participating. And Jan Valsiner, presenting his newest ideas (but I had to leave for my flight).
So, yes, wonderful days in Rome, - there is always something more to do, next time, perhaps between key speeches, some short "activities of another kind", some more possibilities for dialog and "fireplaces", ... and perhaps some time for play?!
Volker Den 27-09-2011 00:26, Volker Bunzendahl skrev:
I don't know if I do something wrong (copy right? Let me know!), but now I tried to decribe more phenomenological the two mentioned symposia, here attached the abstracts about them.Volker Den 26-09-2011 12:41, Volker Bunzendahl skrev:Dear Bella, than you, it is very helpful. Attached three picture from the symposium. Volker Den 24-09-2011 09:37, Bella Kotik-Friedgut skrev:Thanks to VolkerHere is the abstract. I am going to proseed and to prepare the text for publication, but meanwhile Anton asked me to translate it into Russian, so Iam working on it. Bella On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 6:15 AM, mike cole<lchcmike@gmail.com> wrote:Thanks Volker-- Fernando expressed an interest in having his paper in the Portes et al volume discussed at XMCA and I have a copy somewhere. I will post when possible.Its odd you mention the AR-CHAT issue of MCA, Volker. I was hoping there would be more discussion of the papers since we had access to all of them. Are you proposing that we post some more from that symposium or that getBella to send us her talk?? mike On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 6:16 AM, Volker Bunzendahl<volker@volker.dk> wrote:second thoughts, part 3 symposium nr. 103: Testing the limits of CHAT in diverse contexts and global realities. It was - for me - the highlight of the conference, where the topic, subjectivity changed my way of being me, in the moment. The room was filled up, people were sitting on the floor, - and Pedro Portes, Alex Kozulin, Luis C. Moll and - the most impressive of themall, -Fernando Gonzales Rey changed our view of looking at CHAT, at Vygotskys different working periods (moments) - and at the same time made theory practical, in questions about immigration and non-dominant communities,about how there is no subjectivity without objectivity, that is our subjectivity is constructed by social participation in cultures.I will not, here, start a more detailed review of this symposium. InsteadIwill show you a picture of the event, and I will point to the book, whichexpands what this symposium was about.The book is named: P.P. Portes& S. Salas (ed.)(2011): /Vygotsky in the 21st century society - advances in cultural historical theory and praxiswith non-dominant communities/, Peter Lang, New York This might be an answer to Mike, Were there any discussions of the theory/practice relationship thatseemedto you helpful?But I think MCA, nr. 2, about action reseach and CHAT maybe influencedme,. while I listened to Bella Kotiks speech. 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