Re: [xmca] lsv "sketching the future" -- From tool and sign?

[mike cole <lchcmike@gmail.com>]

Thank you David. All of that is very helpful for helping me re-think a
number of issues, particularly the temporal dynamics of experience and
mediation which is preoccupying me in connection with re-reading VPZ's work.

I can confirm that the passage in the reader is the same as in Mind in
Society. That was the only copy we had. The footnote in the English
Collected works about origins
is, I suspect, simply uninformed.

Perhaps it is also relevant to your archeological efforts that this passage
sounds a great deal like Luria's writings about Lewin and quasi-motives in *The
Nature of Human Conflicts.* I was surprised, coming from Zinchenko's 1990's
thoughts in the passage where he cites "Vygotsky," to find the passage in a
heading on the development of voluntary behavior. The two translations and
wildly different context induced in me quite different interpretations.Now I
have to puzzle that out.

mike
On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 3:39 AM, David Kellogg <vaughndogblack@yahoo.com>wrote:

> Mike:
>
> I am pretty sure that it's THIS, from the Vygotsky Reader, pp. 134-135..
> You can also find it in your Collected Works, Volume 6, p. 36, second para:
>
>
> The way in which this action, related to the future, arises has remained up
> to this time insufficiently accounted for. Now it can be explained from the
> viewpoint of study of symbolic functions and their participation in
> behaviour. The ‘functional barrier ‘ between perception and motorics,
> mentioned above, and which owes its origin to the intrusion of word or some
> other symbol between the initial and final points of action, explains this
> separation of impulse from the immediate realization of the act which, in
> turn, constitutes the mechanism preparing postponed future action. It is the
> inclusion of symbolic operations which makes possible the formation of an
> absolutely new psychological field in composition, a field that does not
> lean on the existing present, but rather sketches an outline of the future
> situation of action and thus creates free action, independent of the
> immediately effective situation.
>
> The two texts are VERY differnt though, for the reasons I mentioned. I
> gather that the Vygotsky Reader text is the one in Mind in Society.
>
> David Kellogg
> Seoul National University of Education
>
> --- On *Fri, 3/25/11, mike cole <lchcmike@gmail.com>* wrote:
>
>
> From: mike cole <lchcmike@gmail.com>
> Subject: [xmca] lsv "sketching the future" -- From tool and sign?
> To: "eXtended Mind, Culture,Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
> Date: Friday, March 25, 2011, 5:13 PM
>
> David and others interested in Tool and Symbol--
>
> In his article on Dot and Anna's fine collection of essays on ideas of
> non-classical
> psychology, Vladimir Zinchenko quotes from Tool and Sign (I think!), to the
> following
> effect.
>
> It is the workings of symbolic operations that allow for a completely novel
> type of psychological
> field to emerge; such a field is uniquely new because it does not rely on
> what already exists, but
> instead makes a sketch of the future, and in doing so, creates free action
> that in independent of the
> immediate situation. (citation of Russian version, 1984, p. 50).
>
> I have been searching the copy of T&S I have handy and can not find it.
> Might you, who are now taking
> a fine tooth comb to the text, be able to help out here?
>
> mike
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