Re: [xmca] Deb Roy: The birth of a word Discussion

[mike cole <lchcmike@gmail.com>]

betcha there are even more translations, peter!

I first saw the one I posted at the Navy Research Station in SD about 1979.
It
was a banner on the wall of the group working there which subsequently
created the Distributed Cognition Lab here at UCSD.

They agree on one point-- if you have a good idea, it probably has been
thought of before.... that certainly fits my own experience.

mike

On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 9:09 AM, Peter Smagorinsky <smago@uga.edu> wrote:

> Interesting how things change in translation. I googled the Goethe quote
> below and came up with something that seems to have a different meaning:
> 441. There's nothing clever that hasn't been thought of before - you've
> just got to try to think it all over again.
> http://wolfenmann.com/goethe-maxims-and-reflections-full-text.html
>
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> Behalf Of mike cole
> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2011 9:16 AM
> To: vwilk@inf.shizuoka.ac.jp; eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> Subject: Re: [xmca] Deb Roy: The birth of a word Discussion
>
> V W: "the real trick is to use what you have when you need it."
>
> Goethe: ""*Everything has been thought of before*; *the task is to think of
> it again in ways that are appropriate in one's current circumstances.*"
>
> On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 4:25 AM, vwilk <vwilk@inf.shizuoka.ac.jp> wrote:
>
> > Hello, Xmca-ers,
> > Vandy Wilkinson from Japan.
> > It seems to me that suddenly technology is on the table, with this
> > discussion, re: now Larry Purss' comments.
> > What I have to say that seems to me urgently connected to our present
> here
> > in Japan, where we catch scenes of people in shelters, two elderly people
> > suddenly being found yesterday, still alive,  And these clips are beyond
> > "journalism".  There is more information for those with eyes trained to
> see.
> >  So how can one, then,  access stored information and present an edition
> to
> > show what needs to be shown and demonstrated.
> > I just saw a clip of Rachel Maddow introducing a clip (
> > http://crooksandliars.com/karoli/rachel-maddow-what-survival-looks)
> which
> > shows people in a taxi, ditching the taxi and running for it, and getting
> up
> > the stairs of a concrete building just as the tsunami smashed into it.
>  This
> > clip from a hand held camera somehow got onto national no, international,
> TV
> > and had NO funding.  Research that can be done from that short clip! If
> you
> > add up the clips and put them together,with a narrative idea and this
> > digitized material, both from the sky and the ground, everything that
> > happened here, even if we can't get a complete picture of it, it is
> logged,
> > filed, and searchable. At this point, various academics, geographers,
> > communication experts, psychologists, community workers, sociologists,
> >  social workers, with their various frames of reference (strategic
> choices,
> > scanning information, making expedient choices, and witnessing group
> action
> > and so on, plus what can be seen from the higher perspective of the upper
> > floor  will sort out what there is to be learned from this.
> >
> > So much was learned from the Sumatra 2004 earthquake and it made a big
> > difference now in Japan.  Clearly understanding the advances in early
> > warning systems, the patterns of what happens, geographically and
> socially,
> > the 250,000 who perished then did not die in vain.
> >
> > In research, it is the level of attention which guides the eye to see,
> and
> > the patience to edit.  Technology has advanced to rapidly so as to put
> very
> > high level equipment in the hands of ordinary people, for example,
> running
> > from a tsunami (that was not ordinary, by any evaluation).  Piaget
> altered
> > the course of his study with the addition of his own children to the
> > research mix.  That must be relevant to the passion to study and the
> > intention to follow a thread.    What I am saying is that very powerful
> > technology is already in the hands of ordinary untrained people who see
> > extra-ordinary things, but trained experts can then see what was going on
> > and make informed sense of it.   There is much, very much available
> without
> > simply enormous budgets to record, describe, analyze, and present very
> > subtle and advanced knowledge.  I hope this makes sense.
> >
> > So much focus on budget and technology, when the real trick is to use
> what
> > you have when you need it.  To see what you have when it is being used as
> > something else/ for something else, but can be turned to another
> immediate
> > purpose.
> > I can see that technology is so very very valuable and has a price.
> > But we already have so much digitally stored and so much access to so
> much
> > material,
> > so that the time to ponder and study and present it is somehow more
> > necessary.
> > Vandy
> >
> >
> >
> > (2011/03/20 10:30), Martin Packer wrote:
> >
> >> Andy,
> >>
> >> The 2011 budget request for the US National Institute of Child Health
> and
> >> Human Development is $1,368,894,000. That's one fancy basement you have!
> >>
> >> Martin
> >>
> >> On Mar 19, 2011, at 7:59 PM, Andy Blunden wrote:
> >>
> >>  Well it was great viewing, Deb Roy's presentation certainly spurred me
> to
> >>> improve my own presentation style. But it didn't test any claim about
> speech
> >>> development, and was surely never intended to prove or discover
> anything
> >>> about speech development. Except that to do any work in this area you
> need a
> >>> vast array of expensive audio-visual and computer equipment and a team
> of
> >>> dozens of research assistants. Gone are the days when a hand-held video
> >>> camera would let you do meaningful research into child development.
> >>>
> >>> Note that this reinforces the major malady of our times: the conception
> >>> that on one hand there is little individual me with no capacity to do
> >>> anything except massage my own preferences, and on the other hand the
> mighty
> >>> institutions and forces of society with their billion-dollar machines
> and
> >>> vast organisations, who decide everything .
> >>>
> >>
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