Re: [xmca] Re:Nikolai Veresov

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Re: [xmca] Re:Nikolai Veresov - lost video?

Thanks very much for solving the technical problem. I just had several hours of pure pleasure watching not just one but four videos. Please do let us all know when part 2 of the second series becomes available. Colin B Before acting on this email or opening any attachments you should read the Manchester Metropolitan University's email disclaimer available on its website http://www.mmu.ac.uk/emaildisclaimer >>> Andy Blunden 25/11/10 1:08 AM >>> Nikolai's new video is now available again at: http://vimeo.com/17166233 Andy Nikolai Veresov wrote: > Dear all. > I am sorry, because of technical problems I deleted the video. > However, it will be available tomorrow. > Nikolai >> Send xmca mailing list submissions to >> xmca@weber.ucsd.edu >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> xmca-request@weber.ucsd.edu >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> xmca-owner@weber.ucsd.edu >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of xmca digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Taking the HAT out of CHAT (Andy Blunden) >> 2. Taking the A out of CHAT (Andy Blunden) >> 3. Re: Taking the HAT out of CHAT (mike cole) >> 4. Nikolai Veresov - lost video? (C Barker) >> 5. Re: Nikolai Veresov - lost video? (Temple) >> 6. Re: Taking the A out of CHAT (Wagner Schmit) >> 7. Re: Nikolai Veresov - lost video? (Wagner Schmit) >> 8. Re: Taking the A out of CHAT (mike cole) >> 9. Re: Nikolai Veresov - lost video? (mike cole) >> 10. CHAT/SCT - A voice from the past (mike cole) >> 11. Re: Nikolai Veresov - lost video? (Wagner Schmit) >> 12. RE: Nikolai Veresov - why not to talk to him? >> (Achilles Delari Junior) >> 13. Re: Nikolai Veresov - lost video? (Temple) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 20:54:29 +1100 >> From: Andy Blunden >> Subject: [xmca] Taking the HAT out of CHAT >> To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" >> Message-ID: <4CECE0D5.1020209@mira.net> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed >> >> *Response to Poehner and Lantolf.* >> >> Not being an L2 teacher or any other kind of teacher, I will limit my >> comments to Poehner and Lantolf’s attack on philosophy. That they can >> quote Vygotsky in support of their cause is neither here nor there, as >> Vygotsky’s entire lifetime is testimony to the place he gave to >> philosophy in his critique of psychology, and /vice versa/, and the >> great admirer of Spinoza could be quoted in the opposite spirit just as >> well. >> >> “... Practice sets the tasks and serves as the supreme judge of >> theory, as its truth criterion. It dictates how to construct the >> concepts and how to formulate the laws.” (Vygotsky, 2004, p. 304) >> Vygotsky concludes that the highest test of a theory is practice and >> that the distinction that had been made between general and applied >> psychology (e.g., industrial, educational psychology) was not only >> invalid but in fact, as he convincingly argued in “The Crisis,” >> applied psychology /is /psychology. This was, for Vygotsky, the full >> implication of Marx’s Eleventh Thesis on Feuerbach for the science >> of psychology: “Marx has said that it was enough for philosophers to >> have interpreted the world, now it’s time to change it” (Vygotsky, >> 1997b, pp. 9–10). >> >> The claim that “practice is the truth criterion” for theory is the >> position of pragmatism, not Marxism. This may seem like splitting hairs, >> after all Marx does say in Thesis 2: “The question whether objective >> truth can be attributed to human thinking is not a question of theory >> but is a *practical* question. Man must prove the truth ... in practice. >> >> isolated from practice is a purely scholastic question.” >> >> But the passage of 150 years has clarified matters. “Applied psychology >> /is /psychology,” and the interpretation of Thesis 11, “... it was >> enough for philosophers to have interpreted the world, now it’s time to >> change it” makes things clear. Thesis 11 is saying that the point of >> philosophy is to change the world. In the absence of the socialist >> utopia, then, philosophy is not done for. The revolution Vygotsky >> wrought in /philosophy/ is testimony enough to that. The cry that the >> time for philosophy is past is a call to abandon philosophy. >> >> In this context, L2 theory may be fraught with dualisms, but it seems to >> me that there is a fashion nowadays to point to dualisms everywhere >> without justification, so I am not impressed with the claim of 20 >> dualisms which might just as well be 20 valid distinctions. My >> suspicions are confirmed when the authors themselves posit a false >> dichotomy: “mediation through cultural concepts” versus “mediation >> through social interaction.” This is a new dualism to me; probably it is >> what lies behind the neologism of “SCT” which the authors use to >> supplant CHAT. But more of that later. >> >> What on earth is a “/cultural/ concept”? What are “/non/-cultural >> concepts”? And how is an action to be mediated by a (cultural) concept >> /other than/ as part of a social interaction.” And what kind of >> interactions are /not/ social? And what is it that is being mediated >> other than the (social) use of a (cultural) artefact? Is there any other >> way of using an artefact other than in the course of a /socially/ >> meaningful action? How is a “cultural artefact” used without “social >> interaction”? How is a “social interaction” effected without the use of >> “cultural artefacts” or some other type of non-cultural artefact? >> >> So this is a false dichotomy. But what end does it serve? Well, it >> justifies the use of SCT = Socio-Cultural Theory, by (1) inserting >> “socio-” usually by contrast with “societal,” (2) dropping the >> “Historical” dimension of development, and more importantly (3) dropping >> Activity. So we have come full circle. The meaning of the use of Theses >> on Feuerbach against itself is to reduce Activity to being the test or >> manifestation of Theory. But the opposite is just as valid: Theory is >> the manifestation of Activity, a.k.a. Practice. >> >> Andy >> >> >> >> -- >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> *Andy Blunden* >> Joint Editor MCA: http://lchc.ucsd.edu/MCA/Journal/ >> Home Page: http://home.mira.net/~andy/ >> Videos: http://vimeo.com/user3478333/videos >> Book: http://www.brill.nl/default.aspx?partid=227&pid=34857 >> MIA: http://www.marxists.org >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 23:38:48 +1100 >> From: Andy Blunden >> Subject: [xmca] Taking the A out of CHAT >> To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" >> Message-ID: <4CED0758.40901@mira.net> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed >> >> Thanks to Nikolai for the new video: >> >> Lecture of Nikolai Veresov, Taiwan seminar, October, 29, 2010. Part 1 >> http://vimeo.com/17150966 >> on Cultural Historical Theory (CHT) meaning CHAT minus Leontyev's >> Activity Theory. >> >> >> Andy >> -- >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> *Andy Blunden* >> Joint Editor MCA: http://lchc.ucsd.edu/MCA/Journal/ >> Home Page: http://home.mira.net/~andy/ >> Videos: http://vimeo.com/user3478333/videos >> Book: http://www.brill.nl/default.aspx?partid=227&pid=34857 >> MIA: http://www.marxists.org >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 09:00:57 -0800 >> From: mike cole >> Subject: Re: [xmca] Taking the HAT out of CHAT >> To: ablunden@mira.net, "eXtended Mind, Cultu>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 >> >> To met, at least, you ARE splitting hairs, Andy. I would be really >> helped by >> understanding the relationship of Dewey and CHAT (at least for >> Dewey!). What >> is Dewey's great failing from a Marxist perspective? What did he get >> wrong? >> >> They share a lot, it seems to me. So what have I got wrong? >> >> mike >> >> >> >> On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 1:54 AM, Andy Blunden wrote: >> >>> *Response to Poehner and Lantolf.* >>> >>> Not being an L2 teacher or any other kind of teacher, I will limit my >>> comments to Poehner and Lantolf’s attack on philosophy. That they >>> can quote >>> Vygotsky in support of their cause is neither here nor there, as >>> Vygotsky’s >>> entire lifetime is testimony to the place he gave to philosophy in his >>> critique of psychology, and /vice versa/, and the great admirer of >>> Spinoza >>> could be quoted in the opposite spirit just as well. >>> >>> “... Practice sets the tasks and serves as the supreme judge of >>> theory, as its truth criterion. It dictates how to construct the >>> concepts and how to formulate the laws.” (Vygotsky, 2004, p. 304) >>> Vygotsky concludes that the highest test of a theory is practice and >>> that the distinction that had been made between general and applied >>> psychology (e.g., industrial, educational psychology) was not only >>> invalid but in fact, as he convincingly argued in “The Crisis,” >>> applied psychology /is /psychology. This was, for Vygotsky, the full >>> implication of Marx’s Eleventh Thesis on Feuerbach for the science >>> of psychology: “Marx has said that it was enough for philosophers to >>> have interpreted the world, now it’s time to change it” (Vygotsky, >>> 1997b, pp. 9–10). >>> >>> The claim that “practice is the truth criterion” for theory is the >>> position >>> of pragmatism, not Marxism. This may seem like splitting hairs, >>> after all >>> Marx does say in Thesis 2: “The question whether objective truth can be >>> attributed to human thinking is not a question of theory but is a >>> *practical* question. Man must prove the truth ... in practice. The >>> dispute >>> over the reality or non-reality of thinking which is isolated from >>> practice >>> is a purely scholastic question.” >>> >>> But the passage of 150 years has clarified matters. “Applied >>> psychology /is >>> /psychology,” and the interpretation of Thesis 11, “... it was >>> enough for >>> philosophers to have interpreted the world, now it’s time to change it” >>> makes things clear. Thesis 11 is saying that the point of philosophy >>> is to >>> change the world. In the absence of the socialist utopia, then, >>> philosophy >>> is not done for. The revolution Vygotsky wrought in /philosophy/ is >>> testimony enough to that. The cry that the time for philosophy is >>> past is a >>> call to abandon philosophy. >>> >>> In this context, L2 theory may be fraught with dualisms, but it >>> seems to me >>> that there is a fashion nowadays to point to dualisms everywhere >>> without >>> justification, so I am not impressed with the claim of 20 dualisms >>> which >>> might just as well be 20 valid distinctions. My suspicions are >>> confirmed >>> when the authors themselves posit a false dichotomy: “mediation through >>> cultural concepts” versus “mediation through social interaction.” >>> This is a >>> new dualism to me; probably it is what lies behind the neologism of >>> “SCT” >>> which the authors use to supplant CHAT. But more of that later. >>> >>> What on earth is a “/cultural/ concept”? What are “/non/-cultural >>> concepts”? And how is an action to be mediated by a (cultural) concept >>> /other than/ as part of a social interaction.” And what kind of >>> interactions >>> are /not/ social? And what is it that is being mediated other than the >>> (social) use of a (cultural) artefact? Is there any other way of >>>>> artefact other than in the course of a /socially/ meaningful action? >>> How is >>> a “cultural artefact” used without “social interaction”? How is a >>> “social >>> interaction” effected without the use of “cultural artefacts” or >>> some other >>> type of non-cultural artefact? >>> >>> So this is a false dichotomy. But what end does it serve? Well, it >>> justifies the use of SCT = Socio-Cultural Theory, by (1) inserting >>> “socio-” >>> usually by contrast with “societal,” (2) dropping the “Historical” >>> dimension >>> of development, and more importantly (3) dropping Activity. So we >>> have come >>> full circle. The meaning of the use of Theses on Feuerbach against >>> itself is >>> to reduce Activity to being the test or manifestation of Theory. But >>> the >>> opposite is just as valid: Theory is the manifestation of Activity, >>> a.k.a. >>> Practice. >>> >>> Andy >>> >>> >>> -- >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> *Andy Blunden* >>> Joint Editor MCA: http://lchc.ucsd.edu/MCA/Journal/ >>> Home Page: http://home.mira.net/~andy/ >>> Videos: http://vimeo.com/user3478333/videos >>> Book: http://www.brill.nl/default.aspx?partid=227&pid=34857 >>> MIA: http://www.marxists.org >>> >>> __________________________________________ >>> _____ >>> xmca mailing list >>> xmca@weber.ucsd.edu >>> http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 17:03:08 +0000 >> From: "C Barker" >> Subject: [xmca] Nikolai Veresov - lost video? >> To: >> Message-ID: <4CED454C02000088000753C2@gwmail.ncs.mmu.ac.uk> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >> >> Being a bit of a fan of N V, I went to the site to watch the video. >> Alas, this was the message: >> >> ' Sorry, "Lecture of Nikolai Veresov, Taiwan seminar, October, 29, >> 2010. Part 1." was deleted at 8:10:21 Wed Nov 24, 2010. We >> have no more information about it on our mainframe or elsewhere. ' >> >> Any idea how we might still get to watch the talk? >> >> Colin B >> >> >> Before acting on this email or opening any attachments you should >> read the Manchester >> Metropolitan University's email disclaimer available on its website >> http://www.mmu.ac.uk/emaildisclaimer >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 5 >> Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 12:21:27 -0500 >> From: Temple >> Subject: Re: [xmca] Nikolai Veresov - lost video? >> To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" >> Message-ID: <7A1E2136-A025-4FE1-B3D3-2AB14150AA13@temple.edu> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> >> http://vimeo.com/10069459 >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Nov 24, 2010, at 12:03 PM, "C Barker" wrote: >> >>> Being a bit of a fan of N V, I went to the site to watch the video. >>> Alas, this was the message: >>> >>> ' Sorry, "Lecture of Nikolai Veresov, Taiwan seminar, October, 29, >>> 2010. Part 1." was deleted at 8:10:21 Wed Nov 24, 2010. We >>> have no more information about it on our mainframe or elsewhere. ' >>> >>> Any idea how we might still get to watch the talk? >>> >>> Colin B >>> >>> >>> Before acting on this email or opening any attachments you should >>> read the Manchester >>> Metropolitan University's email disclaimer available on its website >>> http://www.mmu.ac.uk/emaildisclaimer >>> __________________________________________ >>> _____ >>> xmca mailing list >>> xmca@weber.ucsd.edu >>> http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 6 >> Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 16:57:33 -0200 >> From: Wagner Schmit >> Subject: Re: [xmca] Taking the A out of CHAT >> To: ablunden@mira.net, "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" >> >> Message-ID: >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> Hello, >> >> The video was deleted? >> >> Wagner >> >> On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 10:38 AM, Andy Blunden >> wrote: >> >>> Thanks to Nikolai for the new video: >>> >>> Lecture of Nikolai>>> on Cultural Historical Theory (CHT) meaning CHAT minus Leontyev's >>> Activity >>> Theory. >>> >>> >>> Andy >>> -- >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> *Andy Blunden* >>> Joint Editor MCA: http://lchc.ucsd.edu/MCA/Journal/ >>> Home Page: http://home.mira.net/~andy/ >>> Videos: http://vimeo.com/user3478333/videos >>> Book: http://www.brill.nl/default.aspx?partid=227&pid=34857 >>> MIA: http://www.marxists.org >>> >>> __________________________________________ >>> _____ >>> xmca mailing list >>> xmca@weber.ucsd.edu >>> http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 7 >> Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 16:59:55 -0200 >> From: Wagner Schmit >> Subject: Re: [xmca] Nikolai Veresov - lost video? >> To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" >> Message-ID: >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> This is another Video from veresov, not the one andy talked about.. >> is it >> lost? >> >> Wagner >> >> On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 3:21 PM, Temple wrote: >> >>> http://vimeo.com/10069459 >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Nov 24, 2010, at 12:03 PM, "C Barker" wrote: >>> >>> > Being a bit of a fan of N V, I went to the site to watch the >>> video. Alas, >>> this was the message: >>> > >>> > ' Sorry, "Lecture of Nikolai Veresov, Taiwan seminar, October, 29, >>> 2010. >>> Part 1." was deleted at 8:10:21 Wed Nov 24, 2010. We >>> > have no more information about it on our mainframe or elsewhere. ' >>> > >>> > Any idea how we might still get to watch the talk? >>> > >>> > Colin B >>> > >>> > >>> > Before acting on this email or opening any attachments you should >>> read >>> the Manchester >>> > Metropolitan University's email disclaimer available on its website >>> > http://www.mmu.ac.uk/emaildisclaimer >>> > __________________________________________ >>> > _____ >>> > xmca mailing list >>> > xmca@weber.ucsd.edu >>> > http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca >>> __________________________________________ >>> _____ >>> xmca mailing list >>> xmca@weber.ucsd.edu >>> http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 8 >> Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 11:18:55 -0800 >> From: mike cole >> Subject: Re: [xmca] Taking the A out of CHAT >> To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" >> Message-ID: >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> There was some glitch in the video and nick took it down, a sleepy andy >> wrote. >> Should be interesting to learn that activity was irrelevant to Vygotsky! >> Just what he was >> accused of by his critics? Should be interesting. Poor Dewey will get >> left >> holding the activity bag! >> :-) >> mike >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 10:57 AM, Wagner Schmit >> wrote: >> >>> Hello, >>> >>> The video was deleted? >>> >>> Wagner >>> >>> On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 10:38 AM, Andy Blunden >>> wrote: >>> >>> > Thanks to Nikolai for the new video: >>> > >>> > Lecture of Nikolai Veresov, Taiwan seminar, October, 29, 2010. Part 1 >>> > http://vimeo.com/17150966 >>> > on Cultural Historical Theory (CHT) meaning CHAT minus Leontyev's >>> Activity >>> > Theory. >>> > >>> > >>> > Andy >>> > -- >>> > >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> > *Andy Blunden* >>> > Joint Editor MCA: http://lchc.ucsd.edu/MCA/Journal/ >>> > Home Page: http://home.mira.net/~andy/ >>> >>> > Videos: http://vimeo.com/user3478333/videos >>> > Book: http://www.brill.nl/default.aspx?partid=227&pid=34857 >>> > MIA: http://www.marxists.org >>> > >>> > __________________________________________ >>> > _____ >>> > xmca mailing list >>> > xmca@weber.ucsd.edu >>> > http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca >>> > >>> __________________________________________ >>> _____ >>> xmca mailing list >>> xmca@weber.ucsd.edu >>> http://dss.ucsd.e>> Subject: Re: [xmca] Nikolai Veresov - lost video? >> To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" >> Message-ID: >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> Thanks Temple @ temple! its back, and 49 mins long. >> and thanks Nick for posting (assuming you were the poster!) >> mike >> >> On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 9:21 AM, Temple wrote: >> >>> http://vimeo.com/10069459 >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Nov 24, 2010, at 12:03 PM, "C Barker" wrote: >>> >>> > Being a bit of a fan of N V, I went to the site to watch the >>> video. Alas, >>> this was the message: >>> > >>> > ' Sorry, "Lecture of Nikolai Veresov, Taiwan seminar, October, 29, >>> 2010. >>> Part 1." was deleted at 8:10:21 Wed Nov 24, 2010. We >>> > have no more information about it on our mainframe or elsewhere. ' >>> > >>> > Any idea how we might still get to watch the talk? >>> > >>> > Colin B >>> > >>> > >>> > Before acting on this email or opening any attachments you should >>> read >>> the Manchester >>> > Metropolitan University's email disclaimer available on its website >>> > http://www.mmu.ac.uk/emaildisclaimer >>> > __________________________________________ >>> > _____ >>> > xmca mailing list >>> > xmca@weber.ucsd.edu >>> > http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca >>> __________________________________________ >>> _____ >>> xmca mailing list >>> xmca@weber.ucsd.edu >>> http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 10 >> Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 11:37:11 -0800 >> From: mike cole >> Subject: [xmca] CHAT/SCT - A voice from the past >> To: "eXtended Mind, Culture,Activity" >> Cc: Luis Moll >> Message-ID: >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> I know some people who care a lot to distinguish CHAT and SCT. I >> wonder if >> there is any consensus on what the critical differences >> are between them. Here is what I wrote at the Sociocultural >> Conference in >> Madrid about 1994 where Jim Wertsch, who edited the 1981 >> book on Soviet activity theory, as a major player and lead editor on >> the >> subsequent volume - socicultural theories of mind. >> >> More than 15 years have passed since this was written. I may have >> been dead >> wrong then and making the same argument now >> may seem really mistaken. You will see traces of this same discussion in >> various messages being posted around the P&L article. >> >> How should I proceed to find out?? Where are all the L2 people here >> to help >> us out here? Other than publishers in applied linguistics preferring >> SCT, >> what's in those names that makes people get irritated with each >> other? Who >> are the bad people? What are the >> special virtues of the good people? >> >> mike >> ------------------------------ >> >> >> >> >> For the past several years I have been striving, with rather limited >> success, to understand the intellectual issues that divide the >> Vygotskian >> and activity theory approaches, as well as the division between activity >> >> theorists who follow Leont'ev and those who follow Rubinshtein. This >> task is >> complicated because, insofar as I can understand, contemporary >> followers of >> Leont'ev continue to adhere to the major principles articulated by >> Vygotsky, >> Luria, and Leont'ev in the 1920s and early 1930s, arguing in effect that >> Vygotsky was an activity theorist, although he focused less on issues >> of the >> object-oriented nature of activity than on processes of mediation in >> his own >> work (Engestrorn, 1987; Hyden, 1984). Followers ofRubinshtein, on the >> other >> hand, deny that Vygotsky was an activity theorist and tax him with >> "signocentricisrn," which in the overheated debates of the last >> decade of >> Soviet power seemed to >> >> be roughly equivalent to "idealist," a sin at that time (Brushlinsky, >> 1968). >> At the same time, they criticized Leont'ev for placing too much >> emphasis on >> activity as external conditions, likening him to a behaviorist >> from attempting to understand these disagreements more thoroughly, >> although >> I am not certain how productive such attempts will >> >> be for non-Russian psychologists. From existing historiographical >> evidence, >> debates among Russian adherents of these various positions appear to >> have >> been tightly bound up with the wrenching political >> >> upheavals that racked the Soviet Union repeatedly between 1917 and >> 1991 (and >> which arc by no means over) (Van der Veer & Valsiner, 1991). What I am >> almost positive of, however, is that it would not be >> >> productive for adherents of the various positions to carry those battles >> into the international sphere except insofar as they have international >> intellectual merit. >> >> What most concerns me is that for whatever combination of reasons, >> there has >> not yet been close cooperation on an international scale among >> psychologists >> who work under the banner of activity theory and those who use some >> version >> of the concept of sociocultural psychology as >> >> their conceptual icon. At the first Activity Theory Congress in >> Berlin in >> 1986, there was only one major address that took the work of Vygotsky >> and >> Luria to be coequally relevant to the proceedings with that >> >> of Leont'ev, and individual talks that proceeded from a more or less >> Vygotskian perspective were relatively rare. At the second Activity >> Theory >> Congress in 1990, there was a far richer mix of viewpoints, but many >> of the >> people prominent in organizing the current meeting in Madrid were >> preoccupied with preparatory work for the current meeting and did not >> contribute. >> >> It would be most unfortunate if adherents of the various streams of >> psychological thinking whose history I have sketched were to continue >> their >> work in isolation from each other. The common intellectual issues facing >> different streams of cultural-historical, sociocultural, activity based >> conceptions of human nature are too difficult to yield to piecemeal >> efforts. >> It is time for those who have come to questions about the >> socio-cultural-historical constitution of human nature to join in a >> cooperative search for their common past and to initiate cooperative >> efforts >> to address the difficult intellectual issues and staggering national and >> international problems facing humanity in the post-Cold War era. >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 11 >> Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 17:43:00 -0200 >> From: Wagner Schmit >> Subject: Re: [xmca] Nikolai Veresov - lost video? >> To: lchcmike@gmail.com, "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" >> >> Message-ID: >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> The link from temple sends me to the "thinking and speech" video... >> >> On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 5:20 PM, mike cole wrote: >> >>> Thanks Temple @ temple! its back, and 49 mins long. >>> and thanks Nick for posting (assuming you were the poster!) >>> mike >>> >>> On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 9:21 AM, Temple wrote: >>> >>> > http://vimeo.com/10069459 >>> > >>> > >>> > Sent from my iPhone >>> > >>> > On Nov 24, 2010, at 12:03 PM, "C Barker" wrote: >>> > >>> > > Being a bit of a fan of N V, I went to the site to watch the video. >>> Alas, >>> > this was the message: >>> > > >>> > > ' Sorry, "Lecture of Nikolai Veresov, Taiwan seminar, October, 29, >>> 2010. >>> > Part 1." was deleted at 8:10:21 Wed Nov 24, 2010. We >>> > > have no more information about it on our mainframe or elsewhere. ' >>> > > >>> > > Any idea how we might still get to watch the talk? >>> > > >>> > > Colin B >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > Before acting on this email or opening any attachments you >>> should read >>> > the Manchester >>> > > Metropolitan University's email disclaimer available on its website >>> > > http://www.mmu.ac.uk/emaildisclaimer >>> > > __________________________________________ >>> > > _____ >>> > > xmca mailing list >>> > >>> > __________________________________________ >>> > _____ >>> > xmca mailing list >>> > xmca@weber.ucsd.edu >>> > http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca >>> > >>> __________________________________________ >>> _____ >>> xmca mailing list >>> xmca@weber.ucsd.edu >>> http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 12 >> Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 19:49:39 +0000 >> From: Achilles Delari Junior >> Subject: RE: [xmca] Nikolai Veresov - why not to talk to him? >> To: , >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> >> This is the Nikolai's last e-mail that I have: nveresov@yandex.ru >> I don't know if this can help for something. I hope everybody stay >> all right. Spite TCP/IP problems, or be what this could really be. >> Best wishes. >> >>> Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 11:20:20 -0800 >>> Subject: Re: [xmca] Nikolai Veresov - lost video? >>> From: lchcmike@gmail.com >>> To: xmca@weber.ucsd.edu >>> >>> Thanks Temple @ temple! its back, and 49 mins long. >>> and thanks Nick for posting (assuming you were the poster!) >>> mike >>> >>> On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 9:21 AM, Temple wrote: >>> >>> > http://vimeo.com/10069459 >>> > >>> > >>> > Sent from my iPhone >>> > >>> > On Nov 24, 2010, at 12:03 PM, "C Barker" wrote: >>> > >>> > > Being a bit of a fan of N V, I went to the site to watch the >>> video. Alas, >>> > this was the message: >>> > > >>> > > ' Sorry, "Lecture of Nikolai Veresov, Taiwan seminar, October, >>> 29, 2010. >>> > Part 1." was deleted at 8:10:21 Wed Nov 24, 2010. We >>> > > have no more information about it on our mainframe or elsewhere. ' >>> > > >>> > > Any idea how we might still get to watch the talk? >>> > > >>> > > Colin B >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > Before acting on this email or opening any attachments you >>> should read >>> > the Manchester >>> > > Metropolitan University's email disclaimer available on its website >>> > > http://www.mmu.ac.uk/emaildisclaimer >>> > > __________________________________________ >>> > > _____ >>> > > xmca mailing list >>> > > xmca@weber.ucsd.edu >>> > > http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca >>> > __________________________________________ >>> > _____ >>> > xmca mailing list >>> > xmca@weber.ucsd.edu >>> > http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca >>> > >>> __________________________________________ >>> _____ >>> xmca mailing list >>> xmca@weber.ucsd.edu >>> http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 13 >> Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 14:51:59 -0500 >> From: Temple >> Subject: Re: [xmca] Nikolai Veresov - lost video? >> To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> >> Yes, apologies for that. I posted NV's older video prematurely. The >> newest NV video remains at-large. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Nov 24, 2010, at 2:43 PM, Wagner Schmit wrote: >> >>> The link from temple sends me to the "thinking and speech" video... >>> >>> On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 5:20 PM, mike cole wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks Temple @ temple! its back, and 49 mins long. >>>> and thanks Nick for posting (assuming you were the poster!) >>>> mike >>>> >>>> On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 9:21 AM, Temple wrote: >>>> >>>>> http://vimeo.com/10069459 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> On Nov 24, 2010, at 12:03 PM, "C Barker" wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Being a bit of a fan of N V, I went to the site to watch the video. >>>> Alas, >>>>> this was the message: >>>>>> >>>>>> ' Sorry, "Lecture of Nikolai Veresov, Taiwan seminar, October, 29, >>>> 2010. >>>>> Part 1." was deleted at 8:10:21 Wed Nov 24, 2010. We >>>>>> have no more information about it on our mainframe or elsewhere. ' >>>>>> >>>>>> Any idea how we might still get to watch the talk? >>>>>> >>>>>> Colin B >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Before acting on this email or opening any attachments you should >>>>>> read >>>>> the Manchester >>>>>> Metropolitan University's email discla>>>>>> xmca mailing list >>>>>> xmca@weber.ucsd.edu >>>>>> http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca >>>>> __________________________________________ >>>>> _____ >>>>> xmca mailing list >>>>> xmca@weber.ucsd.edu >>>>> http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca >>>>> >>>> __________________________________________ >>>> _____ >>>> xmca mailing list >>>> xmca@weber.ucsd.edu >>>> http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca >>>> >>> __________________________________________ >>> _____ >>> xmca mailing list >>> xmca@weber.ucsd.edu >>> http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> xmca mailing list >> xmca@weber.ucsd.edu >> http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca >> >> >> End of xmca Digest, Vol 66, Issue 23 >> ************************************ >> > > > > __________________________________________ > _____ > xmca mailing list > xmca@weber.ucsd.edu > http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca > > -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *Andy Blunden* Joint Editor MCA: http://lchc.ucsd.edu/MCA/Journal/ Home Page: http://home.mira.net/~andy/ Videos: http://vimeo.com/user3478333/videos Book: http://www.brill.nl/default.aspx?partid=227&pid=34857 MIA: http://www.marxists.org __________________________________________ _____ xmca mailing list xmca@weber.ucsd.edu http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca __________________________________________ _____ xmca mailing list xmca@weber.ucsd.edu http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca