[xmca] Co-evolution

[Martin Packer <packer@duq.edu>]

"the more life there is, the more rocks there are"

<http://www.npr.org/blogs/krulwich/2010/09/14/129858314/my-grandson-the-rock>

Martin

On Nov 11, 2010, at 12:58 PM, mike cole wrote:

> Either way or both, rocks and humans can be said to have co-evolved, right?
> mike
> 
> On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 9:43 AM, smago <smago@uga.edu> wrote:
> I really don't know what rocks have and don't have, aside from scientific properties like retaining heat. I only know that some people find them to have a spirit outside the bounds of human influence and belief. Beyond that, we'd need to consult someone who shares that perspective, which I've never been able to adopt personally even though my property has perhaps thousands of them, mostly from before my intervention but many that I've imported because I like rocks and they're great for building retaining walls for garden terraces and other structures that. p
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu [mailto:xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu] On Behalf Of Martin Packer
> Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 12:37 PM
> To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> Subject: Re: [xmca] Re: Dogs
> 
> But hang on, Peter - you're saying, then, that rocks have a spirit of their own *for* indigenous people.
> 
> Martin
> 
> On Nov 11, 2010, at 12:28 PM, smago wrote:
> 
> > Sounds like the old "tree falls in the forest" thing.
> > But I suspect that this is a Western perspective. As I understand Indigenous perspectives in N. America, the rocks have a spirit of their own and don't need people to construct their social futures for them. p
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu [mailto:xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu] On Behalf Of mike cole
> > Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 11:17 AM
> > To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> > Subject: Re: [xmca] Re: Dogs
> >
> > I posted this scholarly account of humans and rocks a while back. Seems to
> > suggest an answer to the co-evolution issue, Martin, although the gender
> > ascription and individualism are a little unsettling.
> > :-)
> > mike
> > ----------
> > *A rock pile ceases to be a rock pile the moment a single man contemplates
> > it, bearing within him the image of a cathedral.*
> > Antoine de Saint-Exupery<http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/a/antoinedes161736.html>
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 6:58 AM, Martin Packer <packer@duq.edu> wrote:
> >
> >> I turned on the radio this morning to catch the end of a news story about
> >> the co-evolution of humans and rocks! Does anyone know what they were
> >> talking about?
> >>
> >> Martin
> >>
> >> On Nov 10, 2010, at 10:33 PM, mike cole wrote:
> >>
> >>>> When one steps back
> >>>> and thinks of the quantity and scope of plants and animals that humans
> >> have
> >>>> domesticated
> >>
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