RE: [xmca] LSV's use of metaphor

[Colette Murphy <c.a.murphy@qub.ac.uk>]

Hi Achilles
I'd be most interested in the original source of the train metaphor (so that it can be checked with the translation / paraphrased version I referenced) ... I did try a search a few years ago but I couldn't find it! 
Thanks very much
Colette

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From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu [mailto:xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu] On Behalf Of Achilles Delari Junior
Sent: 08 October 2010 00:38
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Subject: RE: [xmca] LSV's use of metaphor


Well...

I also remember that in 1929 Vygotsky compared old psychological views with the "Comedia del'Arte", because the fixed roles of the psychic functions compared to the fixed roles of the characters in that kind of drama... This is at the paper "Concrete human psychology" in English it was published at Soviet Psychology, 1989, v. 17, n. 2 - but I don't have my copy of the English version here anymore.... only a Portuguese version. In the same text is present also the metaphor about consciousness as telephonist in contrast and complementation to Pavlovian metaphor about brain as telephonic central, if I remember well... This same subject was repeatead at the book "The history of development of higher mental functions" from 1931 (In Spanish edition of the Works, as in Russian, it is the Volume III)... A metaphor with trains and rails was used as well, in reflexological discussion, for a comparison with Sherrignton's contributions about much more afferent ways (rails) than efferent ones... but by memory I don't know more if this is at that reflexological text from 1924 or from 1925... (Consciousness as problem of behavior psychology). In the Psychology of Art, certainly he also repeat the Sherington formulation, but I am not so sure about where was the "train metaphor"... If you have interest in this "train" metaphor, I can localize the actual sources, for this too...

Best.

Achilles.


> Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 15:05:08 -0700
> Subject: Re: [xmca] LSV's use of metaphor
> From: lchcmike@gmail.com
> To: xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
> 
> Woa, not so sure about the train track metaphor. The train moves freely up
> and down a pre-scribed
> track and the only thing that can vary "independently" is speed! Brrrr.
> mike
> 
> On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 2:20 PM, Colette Murphy <c.a.murphy@qub.ac.uk> wrote:
> 
> > One that I like a lot:
> >
> > According to Vygotsky the teacher should be the track upon which the train
> > coaches move freely and independently. The track only gives the coaches the
> > direction of their own movement.
> > (Vygotsky, A Reawakened Star:
> > http://www.marxist.com/science-old/vygotsky_501.html)
> >
> > Best
> >
> > Colette
> >
> > Dr Colette Murphy
> > Senior Lecturer
> > School of Education
> > 69 University St
> > Queen's University
> > Belfast BT7 1HL
> >
> > tel: 02890975953
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> > From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu [xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu] On Behalf
> > Of Robert Lake [boblake@georgiasouthern.edu]
> > Sent: 07 October 2010 21:15
> > To: Culture Activity eXtended Mind
> > Subject: [xmca] LSV's use of metaphor
> >
> > Hi Everyone,
> > I am gathering the use of metaphors in Vygotsky's work for a publication
> > and want to be sure to include as many as possible.
> > without any knowledge of Russian along with the fact that I have
> > only recently begun a serious investigation of his work.
> >
> > In her essay on Vygotsky on Thinking and Speaking in the Cambridge
> > companion to Vygotsky,(2007) Vera John-Steiner cites some of Vygotsky's most
> > famous examples, i.e. inner speech as "speech turning inward"; thought as a
> > "cloud shedding a shower of words"; "consciousness is reflected in a word in
> > a word as the sun in a drop of water". (p.151).
> >
> > Yes I know "tool" is a controversial example to some people :-).
> >
> > Can you folks think of any others ?
> >
> > Thank-you in advance for any help with this.
> > Robert Lake
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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