Larry, Not only the protocol but the purpose of the internet is that any information that is posted is completely open and fluid. Well actually not the internet but the Web. One of the major points in Berners-Lee creation of the World Wide Web is that each document should become part of a hypertext universe. So not only any file but any web page can be linked to any other web page. Berners-Lee actually believes this should be extended, so that not only finished documents are linked but that all data should be linked. Pretty fascinating stuff, but link away, anybody who has trouble with this is not really understanding the concept of what posting means. By the way on the Whorf conversation, the early pioneers in computers and their uses were pretty influenced by Whort and have a really interesting take (not that different from Wertsch and Lucy actually) which is that language doesn't create the way in which we think but opens up the space for extending our mind into the universe but it is restricted in a way that is restricted by the language itself. So for instance if you want to talk to me about Euclidean Geometry I have nothing to add in part because I don't have the language to do it (although perceptions of space and time I can discuss with people who have the same experience as me - "you go about the equivalent of three city blocks and then turn right, it's Catty corner to Charlie Mau's." Whof's ideas had an early impact on the internet which is what made me think of this. Anyway, link away. Michael ________________________________ From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu on behalf of Larry Purss Sent: Mon 8/30/2010 10:51 AM To: lchcmike@gmail.com; eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity Subject: Re: [xmca] Re: NYTimes.com: Does Your Language Shape How You Think? Greg I googled John Lucy and located his web page with all his publications listed. Approximately 10 articles are able to be freely downloaded from his site as free PDF's. That is where I accessed the chapter by Whorf and Wertsch. Could someone tell me the protocol on the internet for posting articles to listserves that can be freely accessed from an author's website. I was considering attaching the article to my recent post but wondered if I was breaking ethical conventions [when anyone can get the article from the web?] Larry On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 7:26 AM, mike cole <lchcmike@gmail.com> wrote: > Greg-- > > Good to have someone in the know here. Do you have any pdf's of one of > John's papers, just so that > people could get access to what the issue of tossing out all that work is > about? > mike > > On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 11:07 PM, Gregory Allan Thompson < > gathomps@uchicago.edu> wrote: > > > My two cents (as a student of John Lucy): it was unfortunate how > Deutscher > > threw Whorf under the bus (so to speak) but maybe this was just his way > of > > pulling in NYT readers who are fans of Steven Pinker and who hear the > name > > Whorf and chuckle to themselves in a high and mighty manner and then move > on > > to the next piece (and I suspect that many of the NYT reader-ship are > Steven > > Pinker fans). > > > > As to the substance of the article, I thought he explained Haviland and > > Levinson's work fairly well even if he left out a lot of other folks' > work. > > It's a good start, I'd say. > > > > And I certainly find John Lucy's approach of actually reading Whorf and > > taking him at his word to be a more thoughtful approach (nowhere in > Whorf's > > writing do the words "prison cell of thought" appear!). But I suspect > that > > Deutscher will probably open up the minds of more folks (esp. the > > Pinker-tons) by his approach. > > > > -greg > > > > _______________________________________________ > > xmca mailing list > > xmca@weber.ucsd.edu > > http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca > > > _______________________________________________ > xmca mailing list > xmca@weber.ucsd.edu > http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca > _______________________________________________ xmca mailing list xmca@weber.ucsd.edu http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca
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