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Re: [xmca] Correct link

Mark--

If you look at the sites that Richard noted where instances of "online play"
can be fostered, they seem to present a continuum from more to less
constrained. Remember that this is IN SCHOOL implementation of something
with play, ordinarily interpreted (Larping counts?), in it. Different than
play word camp, too, I'll bet.

I was impressed, Richard, with the relevance of your remarks in setting up
the article to xmca rhetoric and agency on xmca.
mike

On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 1:04 PM, Mark Chen <markchen@u.washington.edu>wrote:

> Forgive me if I misunderstand, but to me LARPing and the online
> role-playing
> that Richard Beach is describing are very different.
> But maybe I should question why I feel this way, and I should say that I am
> not an expert with LARPing, so could be wrong.
>
> afaik, LARPing comes from a tradition of fantasy role-playing games (think
> D&D) where the "role-playing" bit (assuming predefined motivations, goals,
> dispositions, etc.) must be situated in an imagined event or story where
> players do what they think their character with those attributes would do.
>
> This goes hand-in-hand with the "games" bit. What I mean is that most of
> this tradition of paper-n-pencil gaming emphasizes some sort of way to keep
> track of progress, rewarding play with experience points, levels, loot,
> etc.
> such that the purpose for a lot of gamers is to continually build on their
> characters, making them more and more powerful.
>
> I've always understood LARPing as an extension to the paper-n-pencil
> tradition, adding costumes and real-world locations, etc. but still focused
> on story and reward. To me, the term "role-playing" that Richard describes
> in the paper is more akin to how businesses or debate teams use the term.
> Take a position in a controversial argument, provide evidence and warrants
> for the position, etc.
>
> Are these not different?
>
> mark
>
> On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 11:25 AM, Richard Beach <rbeach@umn.edu> wrote:
>
> > Here's a link that works to my article: http://tinyurl.com/y8orntp
> >
> > Beach, R., & Doerr-Stevens, C.  (2009).  Learning Argument Practices
> > Through
> > Online Role-Play: Toward a Rhetoric of Significance and Transformation.
> > Journal of Adolescent & Adult Literacy, 52(6)
> >
> >
> > On 7/20/10 5:19 AM, "Wagner Schmit" <mcfion@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > A list of book about Live Action Role Play (larp) in Nordic countries
> > >
> > >
> > >    - Morten Gade, Line Thorup & Mikkel Sander (eds.): *As Larp Grows
> Up*.
> > >    Knudepunkt 2003. ISBN
> > > 87-989377-0-7<
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:BookSources/8798937707>.
> > >    http://www.laivforum.dk/kp03_book/
> > >    - Markus Montola & Jaakko Stenros (eds.): *Beyond Role and Play*.
> > >    Solmukohta 2004. ISBN
> > > 952-91-6842-X<
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:BookSources/952916842X>.
> > >    http://www.ropecon.fi/brap/
> > >    - Petter Bøckman & Ragnhild Hutchison (eds.): *Dissecting Larp*.
> > >    Knutepunkt 2005. ISBN
> > > 82-997102-0-0<
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:BookSources/8299710200>(pri
> > > nt)
> > > ISBN
> > >
> > > 82-997102-1-9<
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:BookSources/8299710219>(onl
> > > ine)
> > >    http://knutepunkt.laiv.org/kp05/
> > >    - Thorbiörn Fritzon & Tobias Wrigstad (eds.) : *Role, Play, Art*.
> > >    Knutpunkt 2006. ISBN
> > > 91-631-8853-8<
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:BookSources/9163188538>.
> > >    http://jeepen.org/kpbook/
> > >    - Jesper Donnis, Morten Gade & Line Thorup (eds.): *Lifelike*.
> > Knudepunkt
> > >    2007. ISBN
> > > 978-87-989377-1-5<
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:BookSources/97887989377
> > > 15>.
> > >    http://www.liveforum.dk/kp07book/
> > >    - Jaakko Stenros & Markus Montola (eds.): *Playground Worlds*.
> > Solmukohta
> > >    2008. ISBN
> > > 978-952-92-3579-7<
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:BookSources/97895292357
> > > 97>(print)
> > > ISBN
> > >
> > > 978-952-92-3580-3<
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:BookSources/97895292358
> > > 03>(pdf)
> > >    http://www.ropecon.fi/pw/
> > >    - Matthijs Holter, Eirik Fatland & Even Tømte (eds.): *Larp, the
> > Universe
> > >    and Everything*. Knutepunkt 2009. ISBN
> > > 978-82-997102-2-0<
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:BookSources/97882997102
> > > 20>
> > >    http://knutepunkt.laiv.org/2009/book/
> > >    - Larsson, Elge (ed.): *Playing Reality*. Knutpunkt 2010 |
> Interacting
> > >
> > > Arts<
> >
> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Interacting_Arts&action=edit&re
> > > dlink=1>.
> > >    ISBN
> > > 978-91-977140-1-3<
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:BookSources/97891977140
> > > 13>(print)
> > > ISBN
> > >
> > > 978-91-977140-2-0<
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:BookSources/97891977140
> > > 20>(pdf)
> > >
> > > http://interactingarts.org/pdf/Playing%20Reality%20(2010).pdf<http://interactingarts.org/pdf/Playing%20Reality%20%282010%29.pdf>
> <
> > http://interacti
> > > ngarts.org/pdf/Playing%20Reality%20%282010%29.pdf>
> > >
> > > There are some articles about education in some of them, and in the
> 2008
> > and
> > > 2009 books there are articles about a school that uses larp as an
> > > educational methodology
> > >
> > > Wagner
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 12:44 AM, mike cole <lchcmike@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > >> This story from the *NY Times* knocked my socks off for the similarity
> > of
> > >> underlying intuitions of these play-themed camps and the playworld's
> > work
> > >> of
> > >> many members on XMCA. Check it out.
> > >> mike
> > >>
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