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Re: [xmca] perception/conception etc
I understand your misgivings about placing construction within but perhaps
this makes sense: concepts are appropriated from the social/cultural
arena but percepts are individually based. My percepts about music may
run counter to yours and there are even days I don't want to listen to Bob
Dylan. However, I have an appropriated concept of music that is probably
extremely similar to yours. Does this make sense? I know this
internal/exteranl debate has raged for years and won't end anytime soon
but some things do indeed happen within. I still have to think though
that cracking this code between everyday and scietific could assist in
understanding human development.
From: Martin Packer <email@example.com>
To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Date: 07/08/2010 05:00 PM
Subject: Re: [xmca] perception/conception etc
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> What do others think?
Well to me, for what it's worth, this way of talking of percepts and
concepts as constructions used by individual minds sounds quite
cognitivist. Where is the real world?
I'm going to steal this wonderful quotation from an article by Tim
"If we shut up thought in the mind, how does it come to know reality? If
we let it loose in the world, how does it preserve its virginity?"
(Jones, W.T. (1969). A history of western philosophy (2nd Ed.), vol. 3, p.
...and add that since we socioculturalists know that social intercourse is
crucial for ontogenesis, the second concern is not a real issue.
> 1. Object of perception
> *a1856* W. HAMILTON<
> *Lect. Metaphysics* (1860) III. iii. 42 Whether it might not..be proper
> introduce the term percept for the object of perception.
On Jul 8, 2010, at 4:21 PM, David Kellogg wrote:
> a) Percepts are constructions (of course, socioculturally generated)
that individual minds put on perception. They are therefore
representational generalizations and not abstractions of ideal
> b) Concepts are constructions (of course, stored and used by individual
minds) that sociocultural groups put on idealized relationships. They are
therefore abstractions and not simply generalizations of percepts.
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