Re: [xmca] FW: Cultural History of Play

[Wagner Schmit <mcfion@gmail.com>]

It would be very very very good =)

Maybe i can prepare something just for it about Role-playing games and
education

wagner

On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 12:16 PM, mike cole <lchcmike@gmail.com> wrote:

> I am beginning to wonder whether a new sort of special issue on play, or
> perhaps just some new articles, for MCA, would be a good idea. What do you
> all think? The articles could be of different genres, some summaries of
> other lit, some summaries of own work that has appeared in different
> places,
> all focused on cultural historical variation. We might include a chapter
> from Elkonin's Doktorat which has a huge lit review in it.
>
> ???
> mike
>
> On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 3:52 AM, Pentti Hakkarainen <
> pentti.hakkarainen@oulu.fi> wrote:
>
> > Quoting mike cole <lchcmike@gmail.com>:
> > Mike,
> >
> > In recordings there are some material from autumn
> > terms when children are playing "Small city" -play.
> > This is children's free play before our play world
> > projects begin and it is used for defining the goals
> > of the next play world. The play is different from year to
> > year, but I have not yet analyzed the time series if it
> > would be possible to see changes.
> >
> > But your question made me think about other experiences.
> > I forgot that my doctoral thesis compares historical forms
> > of shopping play. I collected earlier studies and documents
> > on shopping play as historical yard play and compared it
> > with the same play in day care institutions. Day care versions
> > were differed in two aspects: 1. shopping play is not any more
> > just preparing props for a shop, but rather a "small city" play
> > (in my case a shop, bank, library, hairdresser, police and jail).
> > 2. Robbers (mostly boys) are present in all play session and police is
> > arresting them and putting to the jail.
> >
> > I collected comparative and historical data in order to
> > find out motivation and change of motivation of play.
> > Sense making is central and can be observed partly in the
> > fact which Rubinshtein emphasized: in play motives and goals
> > cannot be different as in other activities and goals are
> > always sense oriented. My article in Engeström et al. 1999
> > book partly describes the logic of the thesis.
> >
> > My stay in San Diego in mid 90's revealed some cultural
> > differences between Finnish and American play culture or
> > how the cultural practices are reflected in children's play.
> > 1. Individualism in day care practices connected to negotiations
> > when some one insulted individual rights. Adults´ time was
> > mainly used to explain and set conflicts instead of organizing
> > joint play activities (Paley did not work in campus day care)
> > 2. The case of Tatu. This boy and their parents did not understand
> > cultural differences. After breakfast the boy with his uneducated peer
> > (living with his grandmother) left for the lagoon and promised to
> > return by sunset. Every evening a rescue patrol was sent after them
> > to explain that sunset is now.
> > 3. I never saw any yard play in the neighborhood and thought there
> > very little children living around. Halloween was a surprise when
> > hundreds of kids were demanding treat or trick.
> > 4. ABECEDERIAN reports reveal that the effects were attained by
> > an adult spending one hour with each child (boardgame, puzzle etc.)
> > No signs of children's joint play or play worlds.
> >
> > Sorry for a long text!
> > pentti
> >
> >
> >
> >  Hi Beth--
> >>
> >> What nice, concrete, examples of kid-on-playground and expansion of the
> >> idea
> >> of playgrounds to included boat rides... and kids' VALUING of the
> >> playground. No fmri's need apply.
> >>
> >> Thanks for the wonderful bibliography, Mary. The comments on political
> >> considerations putting cultural variations in play off limits in south
> >> africa seem an important reminder of sources channeling all human
> inquiry,
> >> "scientific, policy related research" included.
> >>
> >> Pentti-- Do you think your recordings over the past 11 year indicates
> >> shifts
> >> in play during that time in Finland?
> >>
> >> mike
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 2:45 AM, Pentti Hakkarainen <
> >> pentti.hakkarainen@oulu.fi> wrote:
> >>
> >>  Quoting mike cole <lchcmike@gmail.com>:
> >>> Sorry,
> >>>
> >>> I am writing about a different problem and know only
> >>> some research on history of play + have about 2000 hours of
> >>> digital video from playworld interventions since 1996 in
> >>> Finland.
> >>> pentti
> >>>
> >>> PS Thanks Suzanne for the texts! I am a member of TASP, but
> >>> did not know the connection
> >>>
> >>>  I am unsure, Pentti, that is why I asked about current ethnography
> >>>> of play. Perhaps Corsarro's work is relevant? But it is American and
> not
> >>>> likely to help in quests for diversity of cases.
> >>>> mike
> >>>>
> >>>> On Sun, Jul 4, 2010 at 12:08 PM, Pentti Hakkarainen <
> >>>> pentti.hakkarainen@oulu.fi> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>  Quoting mike cole <lchcmike@gmail.com>:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Hei,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Just found a new text about smysl in a new book about
> >>>>> social epistemology in Russian. Also provoked Zinchenko
> >>>>> to collect his ideas from a psychologists point of view.
> >>>>> I try to connect these with play analyses. Seems that
> >>>>> the proposed mechanism of "smyslo-obrazovanie" is the same
> >>>>> as improvisation in advanced role-play. I think Gaskins-Goncu
> >>>>> comparative analysis of cultures is very relevant.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> In the 1980's there was a society doing ethnographic research
> >>>>> on play and publishing books. But I have not seen anything lately.
> >>>>> Perhaps it has died away?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Pentti
> >>>>>
> >>>>>  Hi Mary and Pentti--
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Mary-- I have recently used Barbara Rogoff's book on culture and
> >>>>>> development. Barbara provides many examples of very young kids
> engaged
> >>>>>> in
> >>>>>> what American adults think of as work activity like walking a good
> >>>>>> distance
> >>>>>> to market on their own and selling stuff too. (Its not clear to me
> how
> >>>>>> "alone" they are in this whole process from the descriptions but i
> >>>>>> have
> >>>>>> not
> >>>>>> properly followed up the references. Certainly, the work of Gaskins
> >>>>>> and
> >>>>>> Goncu emphasizes the diminished role of overt pretend play in 3-6
> year
> >>>>>> olds
> >>>>>> in many cultures relative to European/American/"modernized" cultural
> >>>>>> configurations of early childhood.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Are there any recent ethnographies of early childhood in the varied
> >>>>>> cultures
> >>>>>> of South Africa? I know there was considerable interest in this
> topic
> >>>>>> 100
> >>>>>> years ago. What has changed since colonial "Kiddish" times?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Pennti. It is easy to agree that play is sense making, at least for
> >>>>>> me.
> >>>>>> I
> >>>>>> have tried to figure out the different micro-hermeneutical processes
> >>>>>> (Achille's thought provoking way of talking about what we tend to
> >>>>>> think
> >>>>>> of
> >>>>>> as micro-genesis) involved in the most recent New Yorker cover. The
> >>>>>> variety
> >>>>>> of paths of sense making is pretty amazing, just for this one
> playful
> >>>>>> object!! Have you checked it out?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Re brain/education/development. It would be interesting to assay
> what
> >>>>>> proportion of the articles in that journal are interested in
> >>>>>> brain-->differences in educational attainment processes and which
> >>>>>> proportion
> >>>>>> are interested in organization of setting-->brain
> >>>>>> differences<-->behavioral
> >>>>>> differences. And in allied journals as well.
> >>>>>> (in someone's free time!)
> >>>>>> mike
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Sun, Jul 4, 2010 at 8:21 AM, Pentti Hakkarainen <
> >>>>>> pentti.hakkarainen@oulu.fi> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>  Quoting Mary van der Riet <vanderriet@ukzn.ac.za>:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>  Hi Mary and others,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> It is interesting what kind of evidence is changing people's
> >>>>>>> relation to early years education and play. Neuroscience and
> >>>>>>> relation between executive functions and play woke people up.
> >>>>>>> But I still think that Brian Sutton-Smith is right when he
> >>>>>>> says that people look for wrong effect, from wrong place and with
> >>>>>>> wrong methods in play research. The essence of play is that it is
> >>>>>>> sense making activity, but it may be impossible to open what this
> >>>>>>> means using English. It may be impossible to properly analyze
> >>>>>>> cultural history of play without analyzing play as sense making
> >>>>>>> activity.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> In Scandinavia there are some theses trying to reveal
> >>>>>>> the semiotics of space in day care institutions, not just yards.
> >>>>>>> In our faculty one doctoral student tries to analyze 4000 photos
> >>>>>>> from day care institutions trying to explain the superiority of
> >>>>>>> the Finnish system (in vain I think). There are some attempts to
> >>>>>>> change the principles how activities are spatially carried out
> >>>>>>> (we have a lot of ordinary houses used as day care centers and
> >>>>>>> they are not planned for this purpose).
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Best wishes
> >>>>>>> Pentti Hakkarainen
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  Hi Mike
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  World Cup wise yes it is a bit cold here, but then it is also
> >>>>>>> winter,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> so
> >>>>>>>> 5 degrees at 8/30pm in Johannesburg is not unusual. This World Cup
> >>>>>>>> has
> >>>>>>>> been so full of suprises, but also great for South African
> >>>>>>>> nationalism
> >>>>>>>> (a rather tricky concept).
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> About the play podcast - someone referred it to me, and yes I
> assume
> >>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>> text is the same as the podcast. I have an interest in the area,
> >>>>>>>> from
> >>>>>>>> my
> >>>>>>>> interest in children, rather than an academic specialization.
> There
> >>>>>>>> are
> >>>>>>>> a lot of differences between children across continents (and
> within
> >>>>>>>> South Africa) in terms of how much freedom and responsibility they
> >>>>>>>> have.
> >>>>>>>> In one area I worked in, it was not uncommon for 3 year olds to
> walk
> >>>>>>>> 1,5
> >>>>>>>> km home from preschool on their own. Their playground/play
> equipment
> >>>>>>>> was
> >>>>>>>> also relatively unsophisticated.
> >>>>>>>>  I was a bit disappointed that the podcast content was fairly
> >>>>>>>> superficial, but I suppose that is the nature of the form of
> media.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> regards
> >>>>>>>> Mary
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Mary van der Riet; School of Psychology; University of
> KwaZulu-Natal
> >>>>>>>> Private Bag X01, Scottsville, 3209
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> email: vanderriet@ukzn.ac.za
> >>>>>>>> tel: 033 260 6163;  fax: 033 2605809
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>  mike cole <lchcmike@gmail.com> 07/04/10 01:04 AM >>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>   Hi Mary--
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>  Thanks for the tip on that story underneath the oil spill. I
> had
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> not
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>  read
> >>>>>>>> that far yet. I have read it now, though.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> There was a lot in that article that was new to me. (I assume the
> >>>>>>>> pod
> >>>>>>>> cast
> >>>>>>>> text was the same as the written text??)  I have never read about
> >>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>> history of the playground movement and found it very interesting.
> It
> >>>>>>>> was
> >>>>>>>> also fascinating the stars in this current story were architects
> who
> >>>>>>>> had
> >>>>>>>> kids or were fascinated by the freedom of design that playgrounds,
> >>>>>>>> relatively speaking, allow.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> The link of play-as-educating-young-minds to the contemporary
> >>>>>>>> obsession
> >>>>>>>> with
> >>>>>>>> the brain is one I am more familiar with. Below I append the self
> >>>>>>>> promotional advertising associated with a journal that is squarely
> >>>>>>>> focused
> >>>>>>>> on this topic. I think that an immanent critique of this line of
> >>>>>>>> activity
> >>>>>>>> begging to be done from a CHAT perspective.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Is this a topic you would be interested in pursuing on XMCA?
> >>>>>>>> mike
> >>>>>>>> PS-- It looks cold down your way judging from the way World Cup
> >>>>>>>> players
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> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 11:55 PM, Mary van der Riet
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> <vanderriet@ukzn.ac.za>wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>  Indirectly related to your forwarded post Mike :  Rebecca Mead on
> >>>>>>>> how
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>  playground design affects children?s brains:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> http://www.newyorker.com/online/2010/07/05/100705on_audio_mead
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Mary
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Mary van der Riet; School of Psychology; University of
> >>>>>>>>> KwaZulu-Natal
> >>>>>>>>> Private Bag X01, Scottsville, 3209
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> email: vanderriet@ukzn.ac.za
> >>>>>>>>> tel: 033 260 6163;  fax: 033 2605809
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> >>> mike cole <lchcmike@gmail.com> 06/29/10 18:22 PM >>>
> >>>>>>>>> Thanks Rod. I know that several XMCA folks are interested in this
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>  topic.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>  I think that publication of part of Elkonin's doktorat would be a
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>  contribution here.
> >>>>>>>>> mike
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 1:31 AM, Rod Parker-Rees <
> >>>>>>>>> R.Parker-Rees@plymouth.ac.uk> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> > Dear all,
> >>>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>>> > I thought some of you might be interested in this.
> >>>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>>> > With best wishes,
> >>>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>>> > Rod
> >>>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>>> > -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>>>> > From: Issues around children's play needs [mailto:
> >>>>>>>>> > PLAY-CHILDREN@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of Alice
> >>>>>>>>> Atkinson-Bonasio
> >>>>>>>>> > Sent: 29 June 2010 08:34
> >>>>>>>>> > To: PLAY-CHILDREN@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
> >>>>>>>>> > Subject: Cultural History of Play
> >>>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>>> > Dear List Members,
> >>>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>>> > I am currently conducting some preliminary research for an
> edited
> >>>>>>>>> > collection of works addressing the cultural history of Play.
>  We
> >>>>>>>>> are
> >>>>>>>>> > particularly interested in work that addresses and unpacks the
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>  meaning
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>  and
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>  > cultural importance of particular play phenomena in the past.
> >>>>>>>>> This
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>  is
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>  not
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>  > about the objects and mechanics of play in and of themselves,
> but
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>  the
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>  way
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>  > that play as it happened in the past is connected to wider
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>  structures
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>  of
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>  > identity, power, pleasure, work and consumption practices, etc.
> >>>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>>> > We are aiming to gather material and a list of contributors for
> a
> >>>>>>>>> symposium
> >>>>>>>>> > in 2011, with a planned date for publication around the end of
> >>>>>>>>> 2012.
> >>>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>>> > If you have some material that might be appropriate or would
> like
> >>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>> be
> >>>>>>>>> > involved, please do get in touch as soon as possible. Equally,
> if
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>  you
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>  are
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>  > unsure that your area of interest fits the above description,
> >>>>>>>>> drop
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>  me
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>  a line
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>  > and I'll be happy to clarify things.
> >>>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>>> > Furthermore, if anybody has any suggestions of other email
> groups
> >>>>>>>>> which
> >>>>>>>>> > might be relevant to this project, please do let me know.
> >>>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>>> > Many thanks in advance for your help and I look forward to your
> >>>>>>>>> responses.
> >>>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>>> > All the best,
> >>>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>>> > Alice Atkinson-Bonasio
> >>>>>>>>> > Research Assistant
> >>>>>>>>> > "Cultural History of Play" Project
> >>>>>>>>> > University of the West of England
> >>>>>>>>> > Alice.Atkinson-Bonasio@uwe.ac.uk
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