Re: [xmca] Arne Raeithel's "genealogy"

[Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net>]

To tell the truth Louise, there are a couple of names I 
don't know and half a dozen I know so little about I don't 
know why they're included ... or not. Two of the three 
"outcomes" are people who think humans are a type of 
computer, so I am not surpised that this genealogy is odd to 
me. But there is sooooo much out there. So much to read. :(

Up till a few weeks ago I thought that starting with 
Descartes was not justified, but I take that back now. But 
somehow, Rene's nemesis, Aristotle, needs to be included as 
well.

I don't know anything about Vico, but I find Locke, Berkeley 
and Leibniz to be rather peripheral to *our* story.

Kant certainly deserves an important place, but I think his 
nemesis, Goethe, may be more important for us.

Fichte is actually the inventor of Activity as a 
philosophical concept (I just learnt that Hegel asked to be 
buried next to Fichte; like Goethe, very under recognized in 
the Anglophone world).

Hegel is the inventor of Cultural Psychology, so agreed there.

I think Stirner and Mach are total diversions from our 
tradition. But maybe someone can explain to me their role.

Wundt and Dilthey are important, though I don't know them well.

Feuerbach is a bit of a footnote, but if you're going to 
have Feuerbach, you've gotta have Moses Hess, author of 
"Philosophy of the Deed", and inspiration for "Theses on 
Feuerbach". Of course if you think Frege, Russell and Turing 
are important to the genealogy of CHAT, then you wouldn't 
want Hess.

MARX, obviously, in CAPS.

And I would have lines from a whole bunch of people going to 
Dewey, as well as Peirce and Mead, but even though Peirce 
was the elder, I don't think you can give him such priority. 
Dewey surely was the leader. Arguable.

And where are the Gestaltists? Again, not for computer 
cognition, but there needs to be lines between Goethe and 
Kant and then to von Ehrenfels, and on to Koehler and Co.

Russian linguists like Potebnya, but I don't know where they 
came from.

And these threads are all tied together with LS Vygotsky, yes?

Freud has to be mentioned (I forget his sources), with 
arrows to Luria. And after Vygotsky and Luria you have ANL 
and thus to present day people,

I guess, you can't leave out Piaget, and I don't know 
Piaget's sources.

I know some people rate Merleau-Ponty, but if you're going 
to give Merleau-Pony a seat, you have to put in Lukacs and 
Horkheimer. I guess Habermas for discourse ethics, etc.

I have no idea why Husserl and Heidegger get a mention. I my 
humble opinion, as clever as they might be, their impact on 
Activity Theory has only been negative.

I have no idea why Bergson is mentioned: was he a source for 
Piaget? Don't know why Nietzsche is there. Interesting guy, 
but so are many others. Why von Uexhill?

I agree that Wittgenstein rates a mention, though I don't 
know how much of a source he has been for us. He is some 
kind of version of Activity Theory.

Frege, Russell and Turing are nothing to do with CHAT. What 
about anthropologists??

Never heard of Maturana.

That's my reaction,

Andy

Louise Hawkins wrote:
> Andy,
>
> I remember seeing this diagram a number of years ago, and I found it useful as a big picture diagram to get my head around the significant theorist.
>
> Regards
>
> Louise Hawkins
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andy Blunden [mailto:ablunden@mira.net] 
> Sent: Wednesday, 4 November 2009 01:05 PM
> To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> Subject: [xmca] Arne Raeithel's "genealogy"
>
> http://lchc.ucsd.edu/MCA/Paper/Theoretical%20connections.jpg
>
> I never found this map very useful to be honest.
> Andy
> mike cole wrote:
> > Have you found Arne Raeithel's "genealogy" of cultural-historical, 
> > activity theory thinkers from several years back. I am sure it is 
> > somewhere at lchc.ucsd.edu <http://lchc.ucsd.edu>. Perhaps you (and 
> > Andy, and.....) could update it with
> > more detail. Hegel generated so much that has been "laundered" by 
> > subsequent "original" thinkers its totally amazing, and ditto Mead 
> > (whose writings i know far better, although very inadequately).
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