Re: [xmca] The Ubiquity of Unicorns

[ERIC.RAMBERG@spps.org]

Michael:

In Monty Python's "Holy Grail" there is a scene where King arthur confronts
the Knights who say, "Nicht".  It is implied that this is uncomfortable and
of course King Arthur and his minions can not pass.  They are sent to find
'shrubbery'.  A very hilarious scene follows where King Arhtur and his
minions 'thug' a local woman about shrubbery and berate her by saying
"nicht".  Well, a shrubbery salesman happens along and his first action is
to stop the thuggery of King Arthur yelling "nicht" at the old woman.
Eventually King Arthur gets the shrubbery and returns to the Knights who
say, "nicht" and presents the prize (think dorothy returning to the wizard
with the broom).  Now unfortunately the Knights are "those who formally say
'nicht'" and they are the knights who say, 'ioqyeriurioeqyiopq'.  Get the
idea.  Deridda is similar to me as the knights who say 'nicht'.


Where is the foundation?  There has got be a beginning, doesn't there?

Please provide me with a starting point.

eric


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Hi Eric,
think about it that way: This is the potential of language, and, if
it was my intention to pull the rug, then I succeeded. When is
language serious? When is it in jest? Are there determinate rules to
get at the intentions of another?

The whole project Derrida undertook is to radically question the
presupposition that there is some "self-identical meaning,
intuitively accessible, actual experience in the interiority of a
transcendental subjectivity"---to quote Habermas. This presupposition
of self-identical meaning somehow denoted by specific words is the
problem.

;-)


Michael


On 23-Oct-09, at 4:05 PM, ERIC.RAMBERG@spps.org wrote:



Micahel:

I believe in this instance we are doing what Mike Cole refers to as
"talking past each oether".  I am at a loss to understand your meaning.

thank you for the discourse,
eric

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Hi,


On 23-Oct-09, at 10:51 AM, ERIC.RAMBERG@spps.org wrote:

consciousness has developed.  David Kellogg has provided numerous
examples
of how native Korean speaking people do not grasp basic concepts of the
english language.  Some of the low achieving students I work with have


I think, with Heidegger, Derrida, Rorty, Wittgenstein, Davidson,
Deleuze, and others, that the difference between knowing a language
and knowing one's way around the (cultural) world is undecidable.
Concepts are not just concepts of English language, they are
irreducibly interwoven with the way of life.

This is why Anglo-Saxons tend to have difficulties with activity
(Tätigkeit, deyate'nost) and activity (Aktivität, aktivnost'). This
is why there is no concept like Bildung, because in the conduct of
life of Anglo-Saxons, there is no equivalent segmentation to which
the concept could refer, and there is no inter-concept relation where
such a distinction would be useful.

I do find the concept of "concept" problematic, because it is being
used on this list without working out just what it stands for. (in
general use, it appears like meaning that is somehow related to words.)

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