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Re: [xmca] "From Descartes to Pavlov" (by Piotr K. Anokhin)

That seems right to me, Achilles. I am pretty sure that LSV-PKA connection
was mediated by Luria with discussions of functional systems and
"interfunctional change" as a key mechanism of development. Maybe there were
some direct connections. Lets see if anything turns up.
mike

On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 4:44 AM, Achilles Delari Junior <
achilles_delari@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
> Sorry, XMCA, Mike, Anton,
>
> I was out of home and did not have my own computer and time to speak
> more. The relation between Luria and Anokhin, we already knew, me and
> my friend. Anokhin is quoted by Luria in the "Fundamentals of Psychoneuro-
> logy" because his concept of "functional system", as Bershtein and other
> important researchers, with their concepts. But, at the same time, Luria
> recognizes certain intellectual debit with Vygotsky's last formulations
> (Vygotsky
> himself, as we know, returned to his studies of Medicine, in his last years
> of
> life)... See this paper, for instance:
>
> A.R. LURIA -
> L.S. Vygotsky and the Problem
> of Functional Localization
> Journal of Russian and East European Psychology, vol. 40, no. 1,
> January–February
> 2002, pp. 17–25.
>
> In 1934 Vygotsky wrote the article "The psychology and the theory of the
> psychic functions localization", you know... to the first Congress of
> Psychoneurology
> of all Ukraine...
>
> Well, Anokhin was a contemporary of Vygotsky and Luria did not he? Some
> formu-
> lations from Vygotsky in his 1934 paper was similar to Anokhin's ones, or
> Luria's
> ones... The functional localization as mutable hierarchic relations along
> ontogeny,
> Vygotsky spokes about "chronogenic" transformations.
>
> This is because my friend's questions. She is a biologist that studied
> Vygotsky's
> contributions about education to Sciences Learning... But now she is
> interested
> in relations between Vygotsky and biological complex substrata to human
> mental
> functions.
>
> All your help is most than very welcome!
>
> :)
>
> Thank you very much.
>
> Achilles.
> From Brazil.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > From: achilles_delari@hotmail.com
> > To: xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
> > Subject: RE: [xmca] "From Descartes to Pavlov" (by Piotr K. Anokhin)
> > Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 01:46:54 +0000
> >
> >
> > Thank you, Mike.
> >
> > > Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 11:34:58 -0700
> > > Subject: Re: [xmca] "From Descartes to Pavlov" (by Piotr K. Anokhin)
> > > From: lchcmike@gmail.com
> > > To: xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
> > >
> > > Anokhin's lab was in the old compound of MGU downtown, so I usually saw
> him
> > > in connection with luria
> > > and I believe that the lines of influence run mostly through luria and
> ideas
> > > of functional systems.
> > > mike
> > >
> > > On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 8:08 PM, Achilles Delari Junior <
> > > achilles_delari@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Thank you very much, Anton.
> > > >
> > > > The relation was because a 1934 paper from Vygotsky about "functional
> > > > localization",
> > > > "chronogenic transformations", and so on...
> > > > =)
> > > > Bolshoe spasibo!!!
> > > > Achilles
> > > >
> > > > > Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 19:55:16 -0700
> > > > > From: the_yasya@yahoo.com
> > > > > Subject: Re: [xmca] "From Descartes to Pavlov" (by Piotr K.
> Anokhin)
> > > > > To: xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
> > > > > CC: borlogic@yahoo.com
> > > > >
> > > > > A ref, in translation:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Biology
> > > > > and neurophysiology of the conditioned reflex and its role in
> adaptive
> > > > > behavior. Scientific and translation editor Samuel A. Corson.
> > > > > Translation panel: Roland Dartau, Justina Epp, Vladimir Kirilcuk.
> > > > > Anokhin, P. K. (Petr Kuzʹmich), 1898-1974.
> > > > > Oxford, New York, Pergamon Press [1974]
> > > > >
> > > > > ... and several texts, in the original:
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.galactic.org.ua/Prostranstv/anoxin-6-1.htm
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.galactic.org.ua/Prostranstv/anoxin-7-1.htm
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.galactic.org.ua/Prostranstv/anoxin-8.htm
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Pure physiology, fairly indirect relation to Vygotsky, enjoy! :)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message ----
> > > > > From: Achilles Delari Junior <achilles_delari@hotmail.com>
> > > > > To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
> > > > > Sent: Thu, October 15, 2009 10:31:05 PM
> > > > > Subject: RE: [xmca] "From Descartes to Pavlov" (by Piotr K.
> Anokhin)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Thank you very much Mike.
> > > > > I read 15 years ago, your interview with Piotr Anokhin... but since
> then
> > > > I have not oportunity to
> > > > > read his works, just today a friend of mine at Unicamp presented an
> oral
> > > > communication about
> > > > > some relations between Vygotsky and Anokhin... and she dont find
> direct
> > > > bibliography from him...
> > > > > then, all we turns very interested about this topic...
> > > > > Thank you
> > > > > Best wishes
> > > > >
> > > > > Achilles
> > > > >
> > > > > > Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 19:20:56 -0700
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [xmca] "From Descartes to Pavlov" (by Piotr K.
> Anokhin)
> > > > > > From: lchcmike@gmail.com
> > > > > > To: xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
> > > > > > CC: borlogic@yahoo.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Oh, that is a great question, Achilles. Anokhin is a very
> important
> > > > player
> > > > > > in the development of cultural historical theory through Luria in
> > > > particular
> > > > > > because he championed, against Pavlov, ideas of functional
> systems.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I will see the Guru of such matters, Boris Mescheryakov to see
> what he
> > > > can
> > > > > > contribute -- I have never seen this book. And see what he has to
> say.
> > > > > > Anokhin's work does appear, in parts, in English.
> > > > > > mike
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 2009/10/15 Achilles Delari Junior <achilles_delari@hotmail.com>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi, XMCA,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What can you indicate to me, about the works from Piotr K.
> Anokhin???
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Particuarlly I am interested in:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "От Декарта до Павлова. Триста лет теории рефлекса. М., 1945"
> > > > > > > >From Descartes to Pavlov. 300 years of reflex theory. Moscow,
> 1945.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > There are other suggestions? Some titles in English, etc?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thank you, very much.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Achilles
> > > > > > > >From Brazil
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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