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That seems right to me, Achilles. I am pretty sure that LSV-PKA connection was mediated by Luria with discussions of functional systems and "interfunctional change" as a key mechanism of development. Maybe there were some direct connections. Lets see if anything turns up. mike On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 4:44 AM, Achilles Delari Junior < achilles_delari@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Sorry, XMCA, Mike, Anton, > > I was out of home and did not have my own computer and time to speak > more. The relation between Luria and Anokhin, we already knew, me and > my friend. Anokhin is quoted by Luria in the "Fundamentals of Psychoneuro- > logy" because his concept of "functional system", as Bershtein and other > important researchers, with their concepts. But, at the same time, Luria > recognizes certain intellectual debit with Vygotsky's last formulations > (Vygotsky > himself, as we know, returned to his studies of Medicine, in his last years > of > life)... See this paper, for instance: > > A.R. LURIA - > L.S. Vygotsky and the Problem > of Functional Localization > Journal of Russian and East European Psychology, vol. 40, no. 1, > January–February > 2002, pp. 17–25. > > In 1934 Vygotsky wrote the article "The psychology and the theory of the > psychic functions localization", you know... to the first Congress of > Psychoneurology > of all Ukraine... > > Well, Anokhin was a contemporary of Vygotsky and Luria did not he? Some > formu- > lations from Vygotsky in his 1934 paper was similar to Anokhin's ones, or > Luria's > ones... The functional localization as mutable hierarchic relations along > ontogeny, > Vygotsky spokes about "chronogenic" transformations. > > This is because my friend's questions. She is a biologist that studied > Vygotsky's > contributions about education to Sciences Learning... But now she is > interested > in relations between Vygotsky and biological complex substrata to human > mental > functions. > > All your help is most than very welcome! > > :) > > Thank you very much. > > Achilles. > From Brazil. > > > > > > > > > > From: achilles_delari@hotmail.com > > To: xmca@weber.ucsd.edu > > Subject: RE: [xmca] "From Descartes to Pavlov" (by Piotr K. Anokhin) > > Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 01:46:54 +0000 > > > > > > Thank you, Mike. > > > > > Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 11:34:58 -0700 > > > Subject: Re: [xmca] "From Descartes to Pavlov" (by Piotr K. Anokhin) > > > From: lchcmike@gmail.com > > > To: xmca@weber.ucsd.edu > > > > > > Anokhin's lab was in the old compound of MGU downtown, so I usually saw > him > > > in connection with luria > > > and I believe that the lines of influence run mostly through luria and > ideas > > > of functional systems. > > > mike > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 8:08 PM, Achilles Delari Junior < > > > achilles_delari@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you very much, Anton. > > > > > > > > The relation was because a 1934 paper from Vygotsky about "functional > > > > localization", > > > > "chronogenic transformations", and so on... > > > > =) > > > > Bolshoe spasibo!!! > > > > Achilles > > > > > > > > > Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 19:55:16 -0700 > > > > > From: the_yasya@yahoo.com > > > > > Subject: Re: [xmca] "From Descartes to Pavlov" (by Piotr K. > Anokhin) > > > > > To: xmca@weber.ucsd.edu > > > > > CC: borlogic@yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > A ref, in translation: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Biology > > > > > and neurophysiology of the conditioned reflex and its role in > adaptive > > > > > behavior. Scientific and translation editor Samuel A. Corson. > > > > > Translation panel: Roland Dartau, Justina Epp, Vladimir Kirilcuk. > > > > > Anokhin, P. K. (Petr Kuzʹmich), 1898-1974. > > > > > Oxford, New York, Pergamon Press [1974] > > > > > > > > > > ... and several texts, in the original: > > > > > > > > > > http://www.galactic.org.ua/Prostranstv/anoxin-6-1.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.galactic.org.ua/Prostranstv/anoxin-7-1.htm > > > > > > > > > > http://www.galactic.org.ua/Prostranstv/anoxin-8.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pure physiology, fairly indirect relation to Vygotsky, enjoy! :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > > > > From: Achilles Delari Junior <achilles_delari@hotmail.com> > > > > > To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu> > > > > > Sent: Thu, October 15, 2009 10:31:05 PM > > > > > Subject: RE: [xmca] "From Descartes to Pavlov" (by Piotr K. > Anokhin) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you very much Mike. > > > > > I read 15 years ago, your interview with Piotr Anokhin... but since > then > > > > I have not oportunity to > > > > > read his works, just today a friend of mine at Unicamp presented an > oral > > > > communication about > > > > > some relations between Vygotsky and Anokhin... and she dont find > direct > > > > bibliography from him... > > > > > then, all we turns very interested about this topic... > > > > > Thank you > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > > > > > > Achilles > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 19:20:56 -0700 > > > > > > Subject: Re: [xmca] "From Descartes to Pavlov" (by Piotr K. > Anokhin) > > > > > > From: lchcmike@gmail.com > > > > > > To: xmca@weber.ucsd.edu > > > > > > CC: borlogic@yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh, that is a great question, Achilles. Anokhin is a very > important > > > > player > > > > > > in the development of cultural historical theory through Luria in > > > > particular > > > > > > because he championed, against Pavlov, ideas of functional > systems. > > > > > > > > > > > > I will see the Guru of such matters, Boris Mescheryakov to see > what he > > > > can > > > > > > contribute -- I have never seen this book. And see what he has to > say. > > > > > > Anokhin's work does appear, in parts, in English. > > > > > > mike > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/10/15 Achilles Delari Junior <achilles_delari@hotmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, XMCA, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What can you indicate to me, about the works from Piotr K. > Anokhin??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Particuarlly I am interested in: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "От Декарта до Павлова. Триста лет теории рефлекса. М., 1945" > > > > > > > >From Descartes to Pavlov. 300 years of reflex theory. Moscow, > 1945. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are other suggestions? 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