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Re: [xmca] Consciousness, Piaget

Yes, Martin, that's the basic idea.

I should add that this is a topic for Deely, derived (soundly, I think) from Peirce, and not something Peirce himself addressed (as far as I know). I think Deely uses "consciousness" rather than "awareness," but I avoided "consciousness" b/c of its circularity in our present context.

I expect that Deely's soon-to-appear "Purely Objective Reality"
will have a lot to say about this. (For him, unicorns would exemplify purely objective reality, having their reality only as objects of our signification.) This returns to late-Latin usage, related to "relatio secundum dici," vs. "relatio secundum esse."

On Mon, 21 Sep 2009, Martin Packer wrote:

Tony, what does it mean (for Peirce) to be 'aware of signs AS signs'? The fact that I can talk about the traffic light breaking down, for example. Is that what makes humans uniquely semiotic?


On Sep 21, 2009, at 7:48 PM, Tony Whitson wrote:

Mike, from a Peircean POV, any element of Thirdness is (as such) an element of ideality.

A response in the Stimulus-Response model might seem unmediated, in the im-mediate event. From a Peircean POV,a Pavlovian response to a stimulus is a response to that stimulum AS a sign of (for example) food. Or -- the salivation is a response to food through the mediation of the bell (or whatever) as a sign of food. (This way of thinking is a source for the reflex-arch paper by Peirce's famous student, Dewey.)

From a Peircean POV, the phototropic response of a plant to a light source
is likewise a sign-mediated response, with the plant responding TO THE AVAILABLE LIGHT-ENERGY through the mediation of the sensed light-location as a sign of the energy. This is possible only through the regularity (or ideality) of the congruence of light source location and energy availability.

On Mon, 21 Sep 2009, mike cole wrote:

Not sure what to make of the
phrase "there is ideality in any generalized sign (as in habituated
responses) since there are habituated responses which are not sign mediated.
(ex rat psychologist)
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