Re: [xmca] Influence

[Martin Packer <packer@duq.edu>]

This is my favorite:

"[Vygotsky] presided over local Jewish history study circle (where he  
met Hegel)"

From "Time line of Lev Vygotsky's Life":

 <http://inst.usu.edu/~mimi/courses/6260/theorists/Vygotsky/vygotime.html 
>

I've often wondered what Hegel was doing during the early 20th  
century. Apparently he was studying history in Russia! I wonder what  
he and LSV talked about.

Martin


On Aug 8, 2009, at 11:05 AM, Martin Packer wrote:

> "Both Mead and Vygotsky studied Hegel's writings intensively"
>
> Van der Veer, R. (1987).  The relation between Vygotsky and Mead  
> reconsidered. A comment on Glock.
> Studies in East European Thought. 34, Numbers 1-2 / July, 1987
>
> > Do people have any opinions on this?
> >
> > I suspect that the concept of "influence" is more widely applied  
> > than can be justified. When is a "source" an "influence"?
> >
> > For example, Google gave me the following quotes:
> >
> > ---------------
> >
> > "Vygotsky was influenced by Marxist theorists" (wik.ed.uiuc.edu)
> >
> > "Vygotsky was influenced by Dewey" (Cambridge Companion)
> >
> > "Vygotsky was influenced by his contemporaries" (Peter Lloyd,  
> > Charles Fernyhough)
> >
> > "Vygotsky was influenced by thinkers like Spinoza, Freud, Marx and  
> > Piaget" (www.oise.utoronto.ca)
> >
> > "Vygotsky was influenced by the writings of Marx, Engels, and  
> > Hegel. He was also influenced by Piaget, Blonskii, and Werner" (Moll)
> >
> > "Vygotsky was influenced by Janet's ideas on ..." (Grigorenko)
> >
> > "Vygotsky was influenced by and influenced many theorists. Jean  
> > Piaget, Jerome Bruner, Albert Bandura, Etienne Wenger, and Dewey  
> > are just a few." (jonliu.com)
> >
> > ---------------
> >
> > I think the first three are tenable, but the rest are not. We are  
> > "influenced" by people we interact with and those answering to the  
> > same times and problems as us. But what can  I make of a claim that  
> > Vygotsky was "influenced" by Spinoza, who lived about 250 years  
> > before him? Everyone contributes to an intellectual situation and  
> > we respond to that situation, but does that amount to "influence"?  
> > "Influence" belongs to a behaviorist's lexicon I think, as it  
> > discounts any agency on the one being "influenced."
> >
> > I'm sure I'm not the first person to raise this. Is there a  
> > distinction which is usually brought to bear here?
> >
> > Andy
> >
> >
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Martin Packer, Ph.D.
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