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Re: [xmca] Intensions in context and speech complexity ; From 2-?
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Mike, my reading of Vygotsky's explanation of the process of
speech being abbreviated as it transforms into silent
speech, as I recall, is that the child for example leaves
off the subject of a sentence for example, because they
already know the subject, and such like. I.e., as I read it,
they carry dense elements of context internally so that the
verbal instruction to themselves carries that context
implicitly. Just like if I say "Pass me that" the hearer
won't understand without the help of a shared visual field.
So intention is part of the context, but it is the context,
and it's various mental representations and cues which is
relevant, isn't it?
So for example, the continued presence of all the elements
of a snippet of dialogue act as cues which would allow
something to be repeated, because the entire act in response
to cues in the context can be repeated.
But also, relevant to a topic we have been discussing, Mike,
the project of which the speech act is a part has to be
understood and shared by the child if they are to make sense
of it, and of course psychological testing is not generally
such a project.
I don't really know if that's relevant to the distinction
you're after Mike.
Mike Cole wrote:
David's note of a few days ago on 3-7 year old changes in egocentric speech
me of an old article by Slobin and Welch (reprinted in Ferguson and Slobin,
*Studies of Child Development, 1963)
*that it took a while to track down. The study is often cited in studies of
elicited imitation where an adult says some
sentence and asks a little kid to repeat it. Kids simplify the sentence in
normal circumstances ("Where is the kitty"
becomes "where kitty") and other such stuff. There is a pretty large
literature on this.
But when I went to find the phenomenon in the article that had most struck
me, I could not find it in the recent lit
on elicited imitation. The phenomenon seems relevant to the monologic,
dialogic etc speech discussion.
The phenomenon is this: When a 2yr/5month old child is recorded saying "If
you finish your eggs all up, Daddy, you
can have your coffee." they can repeat this sentence pretty much as it is
right afterward. But 10 minutes later it has
become simplified a la the usual observation.
Citing William James (the child has an "intention to say so and so") Slobin
and Welch remark:
If that linguistic form is presented for imitation while the intention is
still operative, it can be faily successfully imitated. Once the intention
is gone, however, the utterance must be processed in linguistic terms alone
-- without its original intentional and
contextual support." In the absence of such support, the task can strain
the child's abilities and reveal a more limited competence than may actually
be present in spontaneous speech (p. 489-90).
This kind of observation seems relevant in various ways both to language
acquisition in school settings and to my reccurrent
questions about the social situation of development. Is it relevant to the
discussion of egocentric and social speech, David?
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Andy Blunden (Erythrós Press and Media)
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