Re: [xmca] Asking for the “piatiorka”

[Mike Cole <lchcmike@gmail.com>]

Anton--

I have in my possession the map of Luria's apartment, circa 1976. The
audiotape was copied by Davydov who took it back to Moscow. i have not
been able to locate the original, but it is possible his wife has it. Only
one living person missing, Leontiev. I interviewed him separately. I was
rewarded with an Inuit (or whatever that ethnic group on our side of Alaska
is called in Russia, perhaps Chukchuk). I have that in my library.
I will try to make a pdf of the "map" of the room and speakers.

I believe that these people maintained their intellectual and personal
connections into old age. They each had their own line of work but the
overlaps are remarkably similar to a concerted effort to fulfill the program
of research laid out circa 1929, pictograms and all. They sang songs
together and recited the poem they created for Leontiev when his phd thesis
was published with a forward from the editors saying it was a piece
of capitalist running dog poopoo. Some, I am not sure which ones, went to
Kharkov, at least for a while.

This could be a great topic for an historian of this period like you. But it
would take a good deal of reading, of finding articles from obscure places
and piecing the story together. I belief that the inst of defectology would
be one of the critical nodes in this rhyszhomic cultural organism, the inst
of preschool ed another. Perhaps, but less likely, wherever Zeigarnik, who
was in spirit closely connected to this group, collected her data.

Let me inquire by cc for further information.

mike

On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 3:34 PM, Anton Yasnitsky <the_yasya@yahoo.com>wrote:

>
> The fact is that "pyaterka" existed only during the years of the guys'
> studies in the 2nd Moscow University as an undergraduate seminar, and ceased
> to exist around 1930 when they graduated and dispersed all over the country.
>
> At a later time--sooner or later--they all returned to Moscow to become
> fairly prominent scholars in the fields of defectology (R. Levina,
> Morozova), child upbringing (Bozhovich, Slavina) and psychology of movement,
> perception as well as the psychology of preschool development (Zaporozhets).
>
> However, a unifying research program shared by all of these
> individuals--other than their research under the supervision of Vygotsky and
> Luria in the end of 1920s (for a very brief and superficial account of the
> specific activities see A.R. Luria's memoires)--hardly ever existed.
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Achilles Delari Junior <achilles_delari@hotmail.com>
> To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
> Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 5:10:51 AM
> Subject: [xmca] Asking for the “piatiorka”
>
>
> Greetings, dear all,
>
> Can you help with some historical information about the vygotskian
> “piatiorka” (Zaporozhets, Bozhovich, Morozova, Levina, Slavina)? Something
> about the group formation, beyond main research guidelines, and so on? About
> Zaporozhets and Bozhovich I have more information, but what news we have
> about the others? What was their actual role in soviet psychology? Any
> historical, biographical, bibliographical information? If there was a
> Kharkov School is correct to say that there was a Moscow School too? What
> the main epistemological distinctions, if there was some difference? Do you
> sugest some paper about?
>
> Thank you very much.
> Achilles
> >From Brazil
>
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