Re: [xmca] Ilyenkov on the material and spiritual

[Martin Packer <packer@duq.edu>]

'Spiritual life' is a term from Plato, hence in quotes. Here Ilyenkov is
granting that in his doctrine of the 'Platonic' forms that have their own
objective existence, Plato recognized something true about individual
consciousness - that it depends on ideal (yet material) forms whose
existence is social, and so completely independent of the individual.
There's no suggestion here that consciousness is not itself material, if
this is what you want to imply.

Martin  




On 2/23/09 3:38 AM, "Andy Blunden" <ablunden@mira.net> wrote:

> If everything is material for Ilyenkov, Martin, what does he
> mean by this:
> 
> "Here [in Plato], in a semi-mystical, semi-mythological form
> was clearly established a perfectly real fact, the fact of
> the dependence of the mental (and not only mental) activity
> of the individual on the system of culture established
> before him and completely independently of him, a system in
> which the ³spiritual life² of every individual begins and
> runs its course."
> 
> Using Google, I find that Ilyenkov often uses "spiritual" in
> contrast to "material", sometimes in inverted commas but
> often not all.
> 
> Andy
> 
> Martin Packer wrote:
>> Andy,
>> 
>> Once again you're pointing out what is material for Ilyenkov. I didn't
>> bother to emphasize what things are material, because Ilyenkov is a
>> materialist. Everything in his ontology is material. He is a monist!
> 
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