RE: [xmca] Marx and Engels works quoted by LSV

Andy,

It's a wonderful work. Thank you, very much.
Achilles.

> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 00:34:40 +1100
> From: ablunden@mira.net
> To: moxhap@portlandschools.org; achilles_delari@hotmail.com; bruce@brucerob.eu; stevegabosch@me.com
> Subject: Re: [xmca] Marx and Engels works quoted by LSV
>
> I have tracked down almost all the references to Marx Engels
> and Lenin in Leontyev's 1978 book, and you can see them all
> in the footnotes here, if you're interested:
>
> http://www.marxists.org/archive/leontev/works/activity-consciousness.pdf
>
>
> Andy
>
> Peter Moxhay wrote:
> > Achilles,
> >
> > For my translation of Davydov, I figured out a lot of
> > the correlations between the Russian collected works
> > of Marx & Engels and the more-or-less readily available
> > English translations.
> >
> > I haven't yet put this together into an index (but
> > that's an interesting idea), but if you have some
> > specific questions e-mail me offline and
> > I'll try to help.
> >
> > Peter
> >
> >>>> Achilles Delari Junior <achilles_delari@hotmail.com> 12/02/08 3:51
> > PM >>>
> >
> > Greetings for all
> >
> > Can you help me with one more operational question?
> > In the English and Spanish editions of the Collected
> > Works from Vygotky, there are many quotations to
> > Marx in which we cannot directly know what re the
> > actual works quoted, because Vygotsky used a Russian
> > edition of the "Works" of Marx and Engels. Well, I
> > wish to ask you:
> >
> > Is there some available index of that Marx and Engels
> > works quoted by Vygotsky, in which we can recognize
> > the original titles, in order to map what actual works
> > he actually had accessed?
> >
> > I have notice that in stalinist period some Marx works
> > was not availlable, mainly the young "idealist" Marx.
> > Do you confirm this notice?
> >
> > Even you can't help me with this index... more important
> > would be any help in order to give me clues about the
> > marxists texts actually read by Vygotsky.
> >
> > Thank you very much.
> >
> > Achilles
> >
> >
> >> From: achilles_delari@hotmail.com
> >> To: xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
> >> Subject: RE: [xmca] Is there something about/from the musicologist
> > Volochinov?
> >> Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 20:10:53 +0000
> >>
> >>
> >> Thank you very much David,
> >>
> >> Your contribution set me a little confused,
> >> because I had another information from other
> >> source, but now I believe that this source can
> >> be not so trusty. It is the biographical description
> >> of V.N.V. at Russian Wikipedia, as follow:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "Учился на
> >> юридическом факультете Петроградского университета, в 1916 прервал образование
> >> В начале
> >> 1920-х жил в Витебске, опубликовал несколько статей
> >> о музыке."
> >> "He learned in the juridical department of Petrograd University,
> >>
> >> at 1916 interrupted the
> >> formation. At the beginning of the 1920’s
> >>
> >> leaved in Vitebsk, published several articles about
> >> music."
> >>
> >>
> >>
> > http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%BE%D1%88%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B2,_%D0%92%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BD_%D0%9D%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87
> >>
> >> I had believed that we could find some of these articles...
> >> And now I do not now about the existence of these
> >> articles, because your note.
> >>
> >> Well, it's fine... You make me to doubt... And to doubt
> >> is very important in order to make dialog goes on.
> >>
> >> Thank you again.
> >>
> >> Best wishes,
> >> Achilles.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 19:36:48 -0800
> >>> From: vaughndogblack@yahoo.com
> >>> Subject: Re: [xmca] Is there something about/from the musician
> > Volochinov?
> >>> To: xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
> >>>
> >>> Dear Achilles:
> >>>
> >>> I'm no longer sure that Volosinov was a musicologist. The only thing
> > I really know about this is the reference to him by as a musicologist by
> > Michael Holquist in the introduction to "The Dialogic Imagination", p.
> > xxii, and I don't really trust this, because Holquist is trying
> > desperately to prove that Volosinov could not have written "Marxism and
> > the Philosophy of Language" and it is therefore the work of his hero
> > Bakhtin. In this he is certainly wrong.
> >>>
> >>> I don't see much musicology in Volosinov's work, except the
> > much-misunderstood passage where VNV says that the word is a "neutral"
> > sign. This is often interpreted to mean that VNV believed in
> > non-ideological language. That is absurd, and it only shows how very
> > non-neutral our understanding of "ideology" has become.
> >>>
> >>> For VNV ideology simply means the production of ideas, and language
> > that does not in some way engage with the production of ideas is hardly
> > language. What VNV does mean is that the word is not like a number or a
> > musical note, both of which have become functionally differentiated and
> > dedicated signs within a specific field of semiosis and which cannot
> > really be used outside of them.
> >>>
> >>> Volosinov was clearly influenced by Wolfflin's book on painting. But
> > I'm pretty sure he wasn't a painter!
> >>>
> >>> David Kellogg
> >>> Seoul National University of Education
> >>>
> >>> --- On Mon, 12/1/08, Achilles Delari Junior
> > <achilles_delari@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>> From: Achilles Delari Junior <achilles_delari@hotmail.com>
> >>> Subject: [xmca] Is there something about/from the musician
> > Volochinov?
> >>> To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
> >>> Date: Monday, December 1, 2008, 7:25 PM
> >>>
> >>> Greetings for all,
> >>>
> >>> One more operational question to you:
> >>> Is there some wrote production about/
> >>> from the musician Volochinov related to
> >>> music itself, semiotics of music and so
> >>> on?
> >>>
> >>> There are some musicians in Brazil at
> >>> Unicamp interested in understand musical
> >>> genres aided by bakhtinian theoretical
> >>> framework, and I had the notice that
> >>> Volochinov was the musician of Bakhtin's
> >>> Circle...
> >>>
> >>> Can you confirm this information to me
> >>> and give me some biographical suggestions?
> >>>
> >>> Best wishes
> >>> Thank you very much, one more time.
> >>> Achilles...
> >>>
> >>>> From: hworthen@illinois.edu
> >>>> To: xmca@weber.ucsd.edu; tball@ucsc.edu
> >>>> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 18:37:39 -0600
> >>>> Subject: RE: [xmca] Access to articles and discussion
> >>>> CC:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi -- I think that at just about every sociocultural-related
> > conference I
> >>> have been to, someone I've been talking with says that she reads
> > XMCA but
> >>> never speaks up. These are always people who are doing good work and
> > have
> >>> something that needs to be heard. Andy's right, Mike does the job of
> > picking
> >>> up the new voices. It's something we should each make an effort to
> > do.
> >>>> Helena
> >>>>
> >>>> ________________________________________
> >>>> From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu [xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu] On
> > Behalf
> >>> Of Andy Blunden [ablunden@mira.net]
> >>>> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 5:30 PM
> >>>> To: Tamara Ball
> >>>> Cc: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> >>>> Subject: Re: [xmca] Access to articles and discussion
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks Tamara.
> >>>> Yes, I think the acknowledgment of new voices, when they
> >>>> speak, is vital. Mike always does this, but I think it is
> >>>> quite wrong for the rest of us to just leave that role to
> >>>> Mike, who has enough to do. So, thanks!
> >>>>
> >>>> Andy
> >>>>
> >>>> Tamara Ball wrote:
> >>>>> My humble suggestion is this:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> that those of you more experienced and comfortable with the XMCA
> >>>>> discussion forum keep vigilant watch for new voices whenever
> > they do
> >>>>> emerge and then respond. Use the response also as a space for
> > your
> >>> own
> >>>>> assertion, to be sure(perhaps one you would have made anyway),
> > but
> >>> even
> >>>>> the notation of "re:" as the slightest acknowledgment of
> >>> that new voice
> >>>>> is alluring and validating. Any thoughtful response will do -
> > but in
> >>> my
> >>>>> opinion, better if it is not only "sweet", encouraging or
> >>> gentle but
> >>>>> rather truly responsive and generative. In my own novice
> > experience,
> >>>>> intimidation is linked to a feeling of irrelevance which comes
> > with
> >>> the
> >>>>> frayed edges of a thread that is not continued in some way or
> >>> another.
> >>>>> As Andy suggests, workload is always an issue of course, but I
> > do
> >>>>> understand that there are ways that participation in the
> > parlance of
> >>>>> this forum can actually *decrease* workload by creatively and
> >>>>> expeditiously negotiating ideas or problems central to the work
> > each
> >>> of
> >>> will
> >>>>> lead to a multi-year post-doc position that will allow me to
> > expand
> >>> the
> >>>>> work I am already involved with at the Center for Adaptive
> > Optics (
> >>>>> electro-engineering, astronomy and optometry research center
> > with a
> >>>>> strong education component). I can imagine exploring more
> > powerful
> >>> ways
> >>>>> to shape the structure of that work through conversations here
> > that
> >>> are
> >>>>> also linked to the more central debates at hand.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Tamara
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Nov 30, 2008, at 5:40 PM, Andy Blunden wrote:
> >>>>>> Well I'm not one of those who vote and don't discuss but
> >>> I am willing
> >>>>>> to have a guess at issues here, and maybe people will be
> > provoked
> >>> into
> >>>>>> correcting me?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I have had brief discussions with several people either offline
> >>> or via
> >>>>>> FaceBook who have expressed an interest in xmca discussions but
> >>> say
> >>>>>> (basically) they are not clever enough to contribute. Having
> > been
> >>>>>> assured that this is absolutely not the case, they later go on
> > to
> >>>>>> become contributors. For some, it is that fear of speaking up
> > and
> >>>>>> maybe getting their heads bitten off. In other cases, I am
> > sure,
> >>> it is
> >>>>>> a simple matter of the insanity of academic workloads already
> >>> driving
> >>>>>> people to the edge.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I have racked my brain and failed to come up with a viable
> > means
> >>> of
> >>>>>> resolving this, other than being civil and respectful in
> >>> discussions.
> >>>>>> When I asked about Bobath, someone who had never spoken before
> >>> spoke
> >>>>>> up saying "At last something I feel qualified to speak
> >>> on." Likewise,
> >>>>>> when I asked for help for my brother with his daughter's
> >>> maths
> >>>>>> problems, loads of really helpful and knowledgeable people
> > spoke
> >>> up.
> >>>>>> But the general debate, people seem to find intimidating. And
> >>> yet, in
> >>>>>> my experience, unjustifiably so.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Andy
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Mike Cole wrote:
> >>>>>>> I fear that at present the article to be made available free
> >>> for
> >>>>>>> discussion
> >>>>>>> at Taylor and Francis
> >>>>>>> has not been released. The ever-lengthening duration of
> >>> Thanksgiving
> >>>>>>> holiday
> >>>>>>> has probably not
> >>>>>>> helped matters. Consequently, many, probabaly most, members
> >>> of xmca
> >>>>>>> do not
> >>>>>>> have access to the
> >>>>>>> article in question by Stetsenko and Sawchuk. We are working
> >>> on it.
> >>>>>>> The issue of discussion of article in MCA that are not made
> >>> available
> >>>>>>> free
> >>>>>>> is even more difficult and we
> >>>>>>> are working on that too. We have a situation where often two
> >>> or more
> >>>>>>> articles are ones that people want
> >>>>>>> to discuss but we are unlikely to get T&F to offer the
> >>> journal for
> >>>>>>> free. So
> >>>>>>> we are discussing with them
> >>>>>>> the cost of electronic versions so that acces to people
> >>> without the
> >>>>>>> financial means to get access can
> >>>>>>> be handled in a viable way.
> >>>>>>> Simultaneously, I would not that more than 30 people voted to
> >>> discuss the
> >>>>>>> Sanino article, but to date, very
> >>>>>>> few people have availed themselves of the opportunity they
> >>> obtained
> >>>>>>> for the
> >>>>>>> group by their votes. I take
> >>>>>>> this to be a problem and would appreciate suggestions for
> >>> making XMCA
> >>>>>>> a more
> >>>>>>> multi-voiced forum for
> >>>>>>> discussion. Might the overwhelming majority of people who
> >>> voted for
> >>>>>>> discussion of this article but who have
> >>>>>>> failed to comment on it help me and others understand what is
> >>> a foot.
> >>>>>>> Is it
> >>>>>>> amplification or amputation, perhaps some productive
> >>> transformation,
> >>>>>>> that is
> >>>>>>> required
> >>>>>>> The academic semester/quarter draws to a close in the United
> >>> States. The
> >>>>>>> stock market is open in Asia. The people of Mumbai> > > >>> The polar
> >>>>>>> bears, I hear, are enjoying a cool winter, but word is sparse
> >>> from
> >>>>>>> that part
> >>>>>>> of the world. The future beckons. What is that she is holding
> >>> in her
> >>>>>>> hand?
> >>>>>>> Or is it behind our backs?
> >>>>>>> mike
> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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