Re: [xmca] Marx and Engels works quoted by LSV

Achilles,

For my translation of Davydov, I figured out a lot of
the correlations between the Russian collected works
of Marx & Engels and the more-or-less readily available
English translations.

I haven't yet put this together into an index (but
that's an interesting idea), but if you have some
specific questions e-mail me offline and
I'll try to help.

Peter

>>> Achilles Delari Junior <achilles_delari@hotmail.com> 12/02/08 3:51
PM >>>

Greetings for all

Can you help me with one more operational question?
In the English and Spanish editions of the Collected
Works from Vygotky, there are many quotations to
Marx in which we cannot directly know what re the
actual works quoted, because Vygotsky used a Russian
edition of the "Works" of Marx and Engels. Well, I
wish to ask you:

Is there some available index of that Marx and Engels
works quoted by Vygotsky, in which we can recognize
the original titles, in order to map what actual works
he actually had accessed?

I have notice that in stalinist period some Marx works
was not availlable, mainly the young "idealist" Marx.
Do you confirm this notice?

Even you can't help me with this index... more important
would be any help in order to give me clues about the
marxists texts actually read by Vygotsky.

Thank you very much.

Achilles
 

> From: achilles_delari@hotmail.com
> To: xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
> Subject: RE: [xmca] Is there something about/from the musicologist
Volochinov?
> Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 20:10:53 +0000
>
>
> Thank you very much David,
>
> Your contribution set me a little confused,
> because I had another information from other
> source, but now I believe that this source can
> be not so trusty. It is the biographical description
> of V.N.V. at Russian Wikipedia, as follow:
>
>
>
>
>
> "Учился на
> юридическом факультете Петроградского университета, в 1916 прервал образование
> В начале
> 1920-х жил в Витебске, опубликовал несколько статей
> о музыке."
> "He learned in the juridical department of Petrograd University,
>
> at 1916 interrupted the
> formation. At the beginning of the 1920’s
>
> leaved in Vitebsk, published several articles about
> music."
>
>
>
http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%BE%D1%88%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B2,_%D0%92%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BD_%D0%9D%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87
>
>
> I had believed that we could find some of these articles...
> And now I do not now about the existence of these
> articles, because your note.
>
> Well, it's fine... You make me to doubt... And to doubt
> is very important in order to make dialog goes on.
>
> Thank you again.
>
> Best wishes,
> Achilles.
>
>
>
> > Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 19:36:48 -0800
> > From: vaughndogblack@yahoo.com
> > Subject: Re: [xmca] Is there something about/from the musician
Volochinov?
> > To: xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
> >
> > Dear Achilles:
> >
> > I'm no longer sure that Volosinov was a musicologist. The only thing
I really know about this is the reference to him by as a musicologist by
Michael Holquist in the introduction to "The Dialogic Imagination", p.
xxii, and I don't really trust this, because Holquist is trying
desperately to prove that Volosinov could not have written "Marxism and
the Philosophy of Language" and it is therefore the work of his hero
Bakhtin. In this he is certainly wrong.
> >
> > I don't see much musicology in Volosinov's work, except the
much-misunderstood passage where VNV says that the word is a "neutral"
sign. This is often interpreted to mean that VNV believed in
non-ideological language. That is absurd, and it only shows how very
non-neutral our understanding of "ideology" has become.
> >
> > For VNV ideology simply means the production of ideas, and language
that does not in some way engage with the production of ideas is hardly
language. What VNV does mean is that the word is not like a number or a
musical note, both of which have become functionally differentiated and
dedicated signs within a specific field of semiosis and which cannot
really be used outside of them.
> >
> > Volosinov was clearly influenced by Wolfflin's book on painting. But
I'm pretty sure he wasn't a painter!
> >
> > David Kellogg
> > Seoul National University of Education
> >
> > --- On Mon, 12/1/08, Achilles Delari Junior
<achilles_delari@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > From: Achilles Delari Junior <achilles_delari@hotmail.com>
> > Subject: [xmca] Is there something about/from the musician
Volochinov?
> > To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
> > Date: Monday, December 1, 2008, 7:25 PM
> >
> > Greetings for all,
> >
> > One more operational question to you:
> > Is there some wrote production about/
> > from the musician Volochinov related to
> > music itself, semiotics of music and so
> > on?
> >
> > There are some musicians in Brazil at
> > Unicamp interested in understand musical
> > genres aided by bakhtinian theoretical
> > framework, and I had the notice that
> > Volochinov was the musician of Bakhtin's
> > Circle...
> >
> > Can you confirm this information to me
> > and give me some biographical suggestions?
> >
> > Best wishes
> > Thank you very much, one more time.
> > Achilles...
> >
> > > From: hworthen@illinois.edu
> > > To: xmca@weber.ucsd.edu; tball@ucsc.edu
> > > Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 18:37:39 -0600
> > > Subject: RE: [xmca] Access to articles and discussion
> > > CC:
> > >
> > > Hi -- I think that at just about every sociocultural-related
conference I
> > have been to, someone I've been talking with says that she reads
XMCA but
> > never speaks up. These are always people who are doing good work and
have
> > something that needs to be heard. Andy's right, Mike does the job of
picking
> > up the new voices. It's something we should each make an effort to
do.
> > >
> > > Helena
> > >
> > > ________________________________________
> > > From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu [xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu] On
Behalf
> > Of Andy Blunden [ablunden@mira.net]
> > > Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 5:30 PM
> > > To: Tamara Ball
> > > Cc: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> > > Subject: Re: [xmca] Access to articles and discussion
> > >
> > > Thanks Tamara.
> > > Yes, I think the acknowledgment of new voices, when they
> > > speak, is vital. Mike always does this, but I think it is
> > > quite wrong for the rest of us to just leave that role to
> > > Mike, who has enough to do. So, thanks!
> > >
> > > Andy
> > >
> > > Tamara Ball wrote:
> > > > My humble suggestion is this:
> > > >
> > > > that those of you more experienced and comfortable with the XMCA
> > > > discussion forum keep vigilant watch for new voices whenever
they do
> > > > emerge and then respond. Use the response also as a space for
your
> > own
> > > > assertion, to be sure(perhaps one you would have made anyway),
but
> > even
> > > > the notation of "re:" as the slightest acknowledgment of
> > that new voice
> > > > is alluring and validating. Any thoughtful response will do -
but in
> > my
> > > > opinion, better if it is not only "sweet", encouraging or
> > gentle but
> > > > rather truly responsive and generative. In my own novice
experience,
> > > > intimidation is linked to a feeling of irrelevance which comes
with
> > the
> > > > frayed edges of a thread that is not continued in some way or
> > another.
> > > > As Andy suggests, workload is always an issue of course, but I
do
> > > > understand that there are ways that participation in the
parlance of
> > > > this forum can actually *decrease* workload by creatively and
> > > > expeditiously negotiating ideas or problems central to the work
each
> > of
> > will
> > > > lead to a multi-year post-doc position that will allow me to
expand
> > the
> > > > work I am already involved with at the Center for Adaptive
Optics (
> > > > electro-engineering, astronomy and optometry research center
with a
> > > > strong education component). I can imagine exploring more
powerful
> > ways
> > > > to shape the structure of that work through conversations here
that
> > are
> > > > also linked to the more central debates at hand.
> > > >
> > > > Tamara
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Nov 30, 2008, at 5:40 PM, Andy Blunden wrote:
> > > >> Well I'm not one of those who vote and don't discuss but
> > I am willing
> > > >> to have a guess at issues here, and maybe people will be
provoked
> > into
> > > >> correcting me?
> > > >>
> > > >> I have had brief discussions with several people either offline
> > or via
> > > >> FaceBook who have expressed an interest in xmca discussions but
> > say
> > > >> (basically) they are not clever enough to contribute. Having
been
> > > >> assured that this is absolutely not the case, they later go on
to
> > > >> become contributors. For some, it is that fear of speaking up
and
> > > >> maybe getting their heads bitten off. In other cases, I am
sure,
> > it is
> > > >> a simple matter of the insanity of academic workloads already
> > driving
> > > >> people to the edge.
> > > >>
> > > >> I have racked my brain and failed to come up with a viable
means
> > of
> > > >> resolving this, other than being civil and respectful in
> > discussions.
> > > >> When I asked about Bobath, someone who had never spoken before
> > spoke
> > > >> up saying "At last something I feel qualified to speak
> > on." Likewise,
> > > >> when I asked for help for my brother with his daughter's
> > maths
> > > >> problems, loads of really helpful and knowledgeable people
spoke
> > up.
> > > >> But the general debate, people seem to find intimidating. And
> > yet, in
> > > >> my experience, unjustifiably so.
> > > >>
> > > >> Andy
> > > >>
> > > >> Mike Cole wrote:
> > > >>> I fear that at present the article to be made available free
> > for
> > > >>> discussion
> > > >>> at Taylor and Francis
> > > >>> has not been released. The ever-lengthening duration of
> > Thanksgiving
> > > >>> holiday
> > > >>> has probably not
> > > >>> helped matters. Consequently, many, probabaly most, members
> > of xmca
> > > >>> do not
> > > >>> have access to the
> > > >>> article in question by Stetsenko and Sawchuk. We are working
> > on it.
> > > >>> The issue of discussion of article in MCA that are not made
> > available
> > > >>> free
> > > >>> is even more difficult and we
> > > >>> are working on that too. We have a situation where often two
> > or more
> > > >>> articles are ones that people want
> > > >>> to discuss but we are unlikely to get T&F to offer the
> > journal for
> > > >>> free. So
> > > >>> we are discussing with them
> > > >>> the cost of electronic versions so that acces to people
> > without the
> > > >>> financial means to get access can
> > > >>> be handled in a viable way.
> > > >>> Simultaneously, I would not that more than 30 people voted to
> > discuss the
> > > >>> Sanino article, but to date, very
> > > >>> few people have availed themselves of the opportunity they
> > obtained
> > > >>> for the
> > > >>> group by their votes. I take
> > > >>> this to be a problem and would appreciate suggestions for
> > making XMCA
> > > >>> a more
> > > >>> multi-voiced forum for
> > > >>> discussion. Might the overwhelming majority of people who
> > voted for
> > > >>> discussion of this article but who have
> > > >>> failed to comment on it help me and others understand what is
> > a foot.
> > > >>> Is it
> > > >>> amplification or amputation, perhaps some productive
> > transformation,
> > > >>> that is
> > > >>> required
> > > >>> The academic semester/quarter draws to a close in the United
> > States. The
> > > >>> stock market is open in Asia. The people of Mumbai> > > >>> The polar
> > > >>> bears, I hear, are enjoying a cool winter, but word is sparse
> > from
> > > >>> that part
> > > >>> of the world. The future beckons. What is that she is holding
> > in her
> > > >>> hand?
> > > >>> Or is it behind our backs?
> > > >>> mike
> > > >>> _______________________________________________
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> > > >>> http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca
> > > >>
> > > >> --
> > > >>
> >
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> > > >> andy.blunden
> > > >> Hegel's Logic with a Foreword by Andy Blunden:
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