Re: [xmca] Is there something about/from the musician Volochinov?

Dear Achilles:
 
I'm no longer sure that Volosinov was a musicologist. The only thing I really know about this is the reference to him by as a musicologist by Michael Holquist in the introduction to "The Dialogic Imagination", p. xxii, and I don't really trust this, because Holquist is trying desperately to prove that Volosinov could not have written "Marxism and the Philosophy of Language" and it is therefore the work of his hero Bakhtin. In this he is certainly wrong.
 
I don't see much musicology in Volosinov's work, except the much-misunderstood passage where VNV says that the word is a "neutral" sign. This is often interpreted to mean that VNV believed in non-ideological language. That is absurd, and it only shows how very non-neutral our understanding of "ideology" has become.
 
For VNV ideology simply means the production of ideas, and language that does not in some way engage with the production of ideas is hardly language. What VNV does mean is that the word is not like a number or a musical note, both of which have become functionally differentiated and dedicated signs within a specific field of semiosis and which cannot really be used outside of them.
 
Volosinov was clearly influenced by Wolfflin's book on painting. But I'm pretty sure he wasn't a painter!
 
David Kellogg
Seoul National University of Education

--- On Mon, 12/1/08, Achilles Delari Junior <achilles_delari@hotmail.com> wrote:

From: Achilles Delari Junior <achilles_delari@hotmail.com>
Subject: [xmca] Is there something about/from the musician Volochinov?
To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
Date: Monday, December 1, 2008, 7:25 PM

Greetings for all,

One more operational question to you:
Is there some wrote production about/
from the musician Volochinov related to
music itself, semiotics of music and so
on?

There are some musicians in Brazil at
Unicamp interested in understand musical
genres aided by bakhtinian theoretical
framework, and I had the notice that
Volochinov was the musician of Bakhtin's
Circle...

Can you confirm this information to me
and give me some biographical suggestions?

Best wishes
Thank you very much, one more time.
Achilles...

> From: hworthen@illinois.edu
> To: xmca@weber.ucsd.edu; tball@ucsc.edu
> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 18:37:39 -0600
> Subject: RE: [xmca] Access to articles and discussion
> CC:
>
> Hi -- I think that at just about every sociocultural-related conference I
have been to, someone I've been talking with says that she reads XMCA but
never speaks up. These are always people who are doing good work and have
something that needs to be heard. Andy's right, Mike does the job of picking
up the new voices. It's something we should each make an effort to do.
>
> Helena
>
> ________________________________________
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Of Andy Blunden [ablunden@mira.net]
> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 5:30 PM
> To: Tamara Ball
> Cc: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> Subject: Re: [xmca] Access to articles and discussion
>
> Thanks Tamara.
> Yes, I think the acknowledgment of new voices, when they
> speak, is vital. Mike always does this, but I think it is
> quite wrong for the rest of us to just leave that role to
> Mike, who has enough to do. So, thanks!
>
> Andy
>
> Tamara Ball wrote:
> > My humble suggestion is this:
> >
> > that those of you more experienced and comfortable with the XMCA
> > discussion forum keep vigilant watch for new voices whenever they do
> > emerge and then respond. Use the response also as a space for your
own
> > assertion, to be sure(perhaps one you would have made anyway), but
even
> > the notation of "re:" as the slightest acknowledgment of
that new voice
> > is alluring and validating. Any thoughtful response will do - but in
my
> > opinion, better if it is not only "sweet", encouraging or
gentle but
> > rather truly responsive and generative. In my own novice experience,
> > intimidation is linked to a feeling of irrelevance which comes with
the
> > frayed edges of a thread that is not continued in some way or
another.
> > As Andy suggests, workload is always an issue of course, but I do
> > understand that there are ways that participation in the parlance of
> > this forum can actually *decrease* workload by creatively and
> > expeditiously negotiating ideas or problems central to the work each
of
> > us has in front of us.
> >
> > For instance I am in heat of writing a grant proposal that I hope
will
> > lead to a multi-year post-doc position that will allow me to expand
the
> > work I am already involved with at the Center for Adaptive Optics (
> > electro-engineering, astronomy and optometry research center with a
> > strong education component). I can imagine exploring more powerful
ways
> > to shape the structure of that work through conversations here that
are
> > also linked to the more central debates at hand.
> >
> > Tamara
> >
> >
> > On Nov 30, 2008, at 5:40 PM, Andy Blunden wrote:
> >> Well I'm not one of those who vote and don't discuss but
I am willing
> >> to have a guess at issues here, and maybe people will be provoked
into
> >> correcting me?
> >>
> >> I have had brief discussions with several people either offline
or via
> >> FaceBook who have expressed an interest in xmca discussions but
say
> >> (basically) they are not clever enough to contribute. Having been
> >> assured that this is absolutely not the case, they later go on to
> >> become contributors. For some, it is that fear of speaking up and
> >> maybe getting their heads bitten off. In other cases, I am sure,
it is
> >> a simple matter of the insanity of academic workloads already
driving
> >> people to the edge.
> >>
> >> I have racked my brain and failed to come up with a viable means
of
> >> resolving this, other than being civil and respectful in
discussions.
> >> When I asked about Bobath, someone who had never spoken before
spoke
> >> up saying "At last something I feel qualified to speak
on." Likewise,
> >> when I asked for help for my brother with his daughter's
maths
> >> problems, loads of really helpful and knowledgeable people spoke
up.
> >> But the general debate, people seem to find intimidating. And
yet, in
> >> my experience, unjustifiably so.
> >>
> >> Andy
> >>
> >> Mike Cole wrote:
> >>> I fear that at present the article to be made available free
for
> >>> discussion
> >>> at Taylor and Francis
> >>> has not been released. The ever-lengthening duration of
Thanksgiving
> >>> holiday
> >>> has probably not
> >>> helped matters. Consequently, many, probabaly most, members
of xmca
> >>> do not
> >>> have access to the
> >>> article in question by Stetsenko and Sawchuk. We are working
on it.
> >>> The issue of discussion of article in MCA that are not made
available
> >>> free
> >>> is even more difficult and we
> >>> are working on that too. We have a situation where often two
or more
> >>> articles are ones that people want
> >>> to discuss but we are unlikely to get T&F to offer the
journal for
> >>> free. So
> >>> we are discussing with them
> >>> the cost of electronic versions so that acces to people
without the
> >>> financial means to get access can
> >>> be handled in a viable way.
> >>> Simultaneously, I would not that more than 30 people voted to
discuss the
> >>> Sanino article, but to date, very
> >>> few people have availed themselves of the opportunity they
obtained
> >>> for the
> >>> group by their votes. I take
> >>> this to be a problem and would appreciate suggestions for
making XMCA
> >>> a more
> >>> multi-voiced forum for
> >>> discussion. Might the overwhelming majority of people who
voted for
> >>> discussion of this article but who have
> >>> failed to comment on it help me and others understand what is
a foot.
> >>> Is it
> >>> amplification or amputation, perhaps some productive
transformation,
> >>> that is
> >>> required
> >>> The academic semester/quarter draws to a close in the United
States. The
> >>> stock market is open in Asia. The people of Mumbai, Peshewar,
Ramadi,
> >>> Eastern Congo, flood raviged Brazil and elsewhere bury their
dead.
> >>> The polar
> >>> bears, I hear, are enjoying a cool winter, but word is sparse
from
> >>> that part
> >>> of the world. The future beckons. What is that she is holding
in her
> >>> hand?
> >>> Or is it behind our backs?
> >>> mike
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