unit (cell, germ) of analysis
simplest form of the whole
commodity
relational units
value
concepts
relational constructs
concept formation
developmental activities
mediational activities
spontaneous constructs
scientific constructs
what a list of ideas that have been discussed and amplified; deconstructed
and analyzed, to what end? As best I can ascertain it is for the purpose
of an agreed upon methodology for CHAT. But I was under the impression
that there is an agreed upon methodology that involves the analysis of
activities that are imbedded within cultural and historical frameworks.
Simple; yet complex. As a scientific tool I still hold out that the
funcitonal method of double stimulation is the beginning of a specific set
of circumstances that will help to focus a lens upon this analysis. Yes
the blocks are cool but isn't it time we move beyond the blocks and see how
this method can be utilized in real world situations? Luria called it the
combined motor method and utilized it in his romantic science. am i naive
to think the answer has been staring at us all along?
I also can't help but think that Latour's constructivism holds a piece of
this puzzle as well.
thoughts on a cold day in the bleak history of the RNC in St. Paul. . .
what a mess it has been
eric
"Michael
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Please respond
to "eXtended
Mind, Culture,
Activity"
I wonder if the word commodity, even though Marx obviously uses it, is too
narrow a term for the larger theory, especially when considering the
current discussion. I have always thought Engels On the Part Played by
Labor in the Transition from Ape to Man (Part of the Dialectics of Nature)
had a rather large influence on Activity Theory. This piece of work might
suggest that it is social relations in the production of some desired and
necessary material good necessary for development/survival, rather than
simple commodity relations. How this sort of fits in to the Activity
Action issue is that selling a bottle of Coke in order to get money to buy
food can be viewed as an Activity. Or finding a Coke bottle to return to
five cents in order to buy food can be seen as an Activity. But actually
buying a Coke is really only an action, or even an ideologically based
operation (we buy a Coke based on the commercial telling us that Coke is
the real thing).
Michael
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I agree with Michael's response. For Goethe, who founded the
science of morphology as well as the idea of a "unit of
analysis", "cell" was the Urphanomenon, and Hegel frequently
referred to der Begriff as "the cell" or "germ." Marx only
repeated what his teachers had said.
I think the main problem with what you are saying Martin is
that you are accepting the reification of the commodity
relation as a kind of "thing." Marx began with the
phenomenon, that is, a "mass of commodities" but he
discloses the fact that the commodity is "really" (in
essence) a relation between human beings.
So the coke bottle cannot be a commodity when taken out of a
market economy, but it can cease to be a commodity even
within a market economy if there is a glut on the market and
it can't be sold, or the producer decides that they like it
so much they're going to keep for themselves.
So the cell of bourgeois society and its "unit of analysis"
is *not* a commodity, but the commodity relation.
Andy
Martin Packer wrote:
> Yes, that's true. But isn't it the simplest form of the whole only
because
> it is part of the whole? A bottle of coke isn't a commodity if it is
removed
> from the economy of which it is a part. (The Gods Must Be Crazy was a
> terrible movie but at least it made that point well.) Marx was, I think,
> using the analysis of the commodity in order to expore the *constitution*
of
> the commodity.
>
> Vygotsky takes this up in The History of the Genesis of the Higher Mental
> Functions, where the unit of analysis is "fossilized" forms: tossing a
dice,
> tying a knot, counting on fingers. Vygotsky writes that:
>
> "All ties connecting these formations with the system that once generated
> them have died off, the ground on which they appeared has vanished, the
> background of their activity has changed, they have been torn from their
> system and transported in a flood of historical development to a
completely
> different sphere."
>
> He then goes on to argue that despite these problems, such fossils are an
> appropriate unit to study. I'm not sure whether his argument is
convincing.
> The point I want to emphasize here is that he sees it necessary to
attempt
> the argument, and this would not be the case if one could study the unit
> independent of its ties to the system.
>
> Martin
>
>
> On 9/3/08 10:16 AM, "Andy Blunden" <ablunden@mira.net> wrote:
>
>> What we demand of the unit of analysis (or cell) is not that
>> it is a part of the whole, but rather that it is the
>> simplest form *of* the whole.
>>
>> Andy
>>
>> Martin Packer wrote:
>>> Andy,
>>>
>>> But to pursue the cell metaphor a bit, while the cell is certainly a
unit
>>> that contains the life processes that animate the body, its functioning
>>> depends on its place within the body, which Marx also calls "an organic
>>> whole." I'm not suggesting that there are or should be two units - I
agree
>>> that's the wrong way to go. It seems to me more that the unit itself
has to
>>> be considered as an aspect of a larger whole, with which it has a
relation
>>> of mutual constitution. No cells, no body. No body, no cells.
>>>
>>> It always takes me forever to read and process your excerpts from
Hegel! But
>>> I'll give it a try. :)
>>>
>>> Martin
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/3/08 9:44 AM, "Andy Blunden" <ablunden@mira.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Martin Packer wrote:
>>>>> examine units in relation. This seems to me to suggest that although
a unit
>>>>> has the characteristics of the whole, this is the case only when the
unit
>>>>> is
>>>>> examined *in* the whole. We need to study a commodity *in* capitalist
>>>>> society. ...
>>>>>
>>>> Martin, this doesn't quite figure because to do as you
>>>> suggest, we have to begin with *two* units of analysis, the
>>>> commodity relation and "capitalist society", which of course
>>>> presumes what is to be proved. It's a cell; it *generates*
>>>> the whole.
>>>>
>>>> Certainly, Marx has already told us that "The prerequisites
>>>> with which we begin are ... the actual individuals, their
>>>> activity and the material conditions of their lives," and
>>>> this is the necessary foundation.
>>>>
>>>> You really can't say it better than Hegel (here describing
>>>> how the concept of "right" acts as a "unit of analysis" for
>>>> "objective spirit":
>>>>
>>>> "The science of right is a part of philosophy. Hence it must
>>>> develop the idea, which is the reason of an object, out of
>>>> the conception. It is the same thing to say that it must
>>>> regard the peculiar internal development of the thing
>>>> itself. Since it is a part [of philosophy], it has a
>>>> definite beginning, which is the result and truth of what
>>>> goes before, and this, that goes before, constitutes its
>>>> so-called proof. Hence the origin of the conception of right
>>>> falls outside of the science of right. ...
>>>> "In philosophic knowledge the necessity of a conception is
>>>> the main thing, and the process, by which it, as a result,
>>>> has come into being is the proof and deduction. After the
>>>> content is seen to be necessary independently, the second
>>>> point is to look about for that which corresponds to it in
>>>> existing ideas and modes of speech." (Introduction to the
>>>> Philosophy of Right §2)
>>>>
>>>> So what Marx is doing in rising from the abstract to the
>>>> concrete is unfolding out of the value relation a whole
>>>> series of concepts which flow from it. It is a kind of
>>>> thought experiment which is constantly checked against
>>>> historical reality. In fact of course there never has been
>>>> and never will be a society in which the commodity relation
>>>> is "absolute."
>>>>
>>>> Andy
>>>>
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