RE: [xmca] Ilyenkov and Spinosa, with relevance to LSV

Thanks to all for providing a lifetime's worth of reading! I wonder if the
xmca website can provide a set of links to all of these terrific online
libraries so that we can consult them as time allows. Thanks,Peter

Peter Smagorinsky
The University of Georgia
125 Aderhold Hall
Athens, GA 30602
smago@uga.edu/phone:706-542-4507
http://www.coe.uga.edu/lle/faculty/smagorinsky/index.html

-----Original Message-----
From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu [mailto:xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu] On
Behalf Of Alexander Surmava
Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 1:15 AM
To: mcole@weber.ucsd.edu; 'eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity'
Subject: RE: [xmca] Ilyenkov and Spinosa, with relevance to LSV

Hi, Mike

as one of participants of the discussion among Russian followers of Il'enkov
I can only greet the interest to this topic from our Western colleagues.
This discussion, as well as the discussion on XMCA concerning materialism
and idealism demonstrates that the real alive research process in the field
of CHAT shifted now to the sphere of Dialectical psychology at least in
Russia and XMCA :-).

I afford some remarks to the topic which will be entirely subjective as I
represent interested party in the discussion.

I deeply appreciate Andrey Maidansky as an organizer of web sites with full
collections of texts of Evald Il'enkov and Spinoza. His giant work which
gave all of us a technical possibility to read and download practically ALL
Ik'enkov's texts and great number of his photos can't be underestimated.

In the same time I participated in the discussion between Andrey and Lev
Konstantinovitch Naumenko and entirely share the position of the latter. Now
when Andrey's text, which he translated into English is available for
XMCA'ers I insist that all his arguments will acquire a sense only in the
full context of discussion. Now only Russophones can estimate not only
sophisticated (and translated into English) arguments of Maidansky but the
arguments of his opponents as well. I mean first of all three articles of
Lev Naumenko and at any rate one my unpublished (English) article about
further development of Il'enkov-Spinizian idea of thinking body (it waits
it's turn for publication in JREEP for two years :-) and I am not sure I'll
live to see it published ;-) and one my unpublished (Russian) monograph can
contribute the more concrete vision of the opposite positions. Not to speak
of my new article analyzing the newly published Vygotsky manuscripts from
Il'enkov's dialectical perspective.

Lev Naumenko argues against main idea of Andrey in the field of philosophy
and logic, while I'm trying to demonstrate the heuristic potential of the
very Il'enkov's ideas (of "thinking body)" which Andrey tries to discard in
theoretic psychology. From my point of view Maidansky is trying to discard
the most interesting and the most exact dialectical idea of Evald Il'enkov,
the idea which puts him as a thinker into the one rank with the greatest
world philosophers like Hegel and Marx. Maydansky is trying to catch
Il'enkov in the act of banal scholastic blunder or misunderstanding, in
"falsification" of Spinoza. I am sure that those attempts are absolutely
inadequate themselves.

As a result Maydansky invites say psychology to return to banal Cartesianism
and behaviorism.

The alternative way of development can be realized entirely on Il'enkov's
insights about Spinoza, on his great dialectical idea of "thinking body".
Here we (Dialectical psychologists) invite everybody to pay attention to the
problems (e.g. psycho-physical problem) and only lately to the words and
declarations, to be researchers more than ideologists as some of us often
used to be.

Those who want to go deeper in all this stuff I can invite to my website
were texts of discussion are available.

http://voxnet.ru/~monada/archive.php?lng=eng

English texts:

1.EVALD IL'ENKOV AND WORLD PHILOSOPHY by Lev Naumenko

Russian texts:

6. L.K.Naumenko Ob Eval'de Il'enkove, o vremeni i nemnogo o sebe

11.A.D. Maidanskii Ponyatie myshleniya u Il'enkova i Spinozy Voprosy
filosofii, 8 (2002), s. 163-173 1

12.A.D. Maidanskii O myslyaschih veschah i zharenyh kvadratah

13.L.K.Naumenko O <MYSLYaSchEM TELE>, <DEISTVUYuSchEM DELE>, O KVADRATNYH
KVADRATAH I KVADRATAH ZhARENYH.

 <http://voxnet.ru/~monada/articles.php?lng=eng>
http://voxnet.ru/~monada/articles.php?lng=eng

My English texts:

14. A.Surmava Life psyche consciousness Published in Russian in collected
works of Vygotsky institute, RGGU.

18. A.Surmava TO THE HISTORICAL ROOTS OF THE PSYCHO-PHYSICAL PROBLEM
Unpublished article.

Russian texts:

1. A.Surmava THE PRINCIPLES OF REFLECTIVE THEORY OF ACTIVITY. Manuscript
of unpublished monograph.

17. Psycholigy and dialectic - the drama of creation (Thу theoretic
reflection upon the newly published manuscript of Vygotsky.) Published in
"Metodologiya i istoriya psihologii". #1, 2007. Moscow

16. Il'enkov and revolution in psychology (In Russian ) (About Evald
Il'enkov and its revolutionary role in the history of psychology).

By the way the available in English article "TO THE HISTORICAL ROOTS OF THE
PSYCHO-PHYSICAL PROBLEM" has direct connection to the discussion on
Idealism and Materialism as well.

Thereupon I put the dot and go to bed J:

See you!

Sasha

-----Original Message-----
From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu [mailto:xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu] On
Behalf Of Mike Cole
Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 10:27 PM
To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
Cc: Andrey Maidansky
Subject: [xmca] Ilyenkov and Spinosa, with relevance to LSV

People may be interested in checking out a brief discussion a discussion of

the idea of

"thinking body" in Ilyenkov and Spinoza to be found at the following url.

http://caute.net.ru/spinoza/mds/am.htm

Professor Maidansky has also written a paper on Spinoza and LSV that starts

from a fragment in LSV's diary where he says that only a future psychology

will be able to make use of Spinoza's insights. We hope to publish the

article

in JREEP.

mike

_______________________________________________

xmca mailing list

xmca@weber.ucsd.edu

http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca

_______________________________________________
xmca mailing list
xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca

_______________________________________________
xmca mailing list
xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca
Received on Sun Jun 1 06:15 PDT 2008